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How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

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Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other side of this coin is that spammers can buy pagerank by purchasing a reputable domain and then using it for spam. That, it turns out, it what happened here (according to a Google engineer who explained after I published this): http://lee-phillips.org/hitchYellowPages/

Good post but I wish it had a date on it -- hard to know if recent or 5 years ago. Am I just not seeing the date?

If you look at the screenshot, it looks like it is from mid-december 2011.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#32
post #2

You didn't do your research. Your domain had a spam history. Also, a simple backlink analysis from any SEO would have turned up these issues and then you could have promptly disavowed them and be done with it. It's not Google's fault that you didn't dot you i's and cross your t's as a webmaster.

It is Google's fault that their pagerank algorithm isn't sophisticated enough to handle understanding that internet domain ownership isn't static, and for not understanding that spam sites pointing to 404s on another site are a prime indication that a change has happened.

Then you have sites returning 404s to Google spiders for illegitimate links once they've expired their use.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#33
post #14

This is what happens when Google actively penalizes sites for something that is totally out of their control (links pointing to their site). Granted, a large chunk of spammers know exactly what they are doing when they blast 1000s of links into a site, but what about the average webmaster? Or the small business owner who knows nothing about SEO and relies on a cheap "SEO firm"? Or somebody who isn't an SEO expert buy…

> Granted, a large chunk of spammers know exactly what they are doing when they blast 1000s of links into a site, but what about the average webmaster? Or the small business owner who knows nothing about SEO and relies on a cheap "SEO firm"?

There was a cheesy TV show several years back about a group of con artists, I don't remember the name but they had a sort of motto that applies here: "you can't con an honest man."

What exactly is our poor innocent small business owner trying to do by hiring a cheap SEO firm? He's trying to manipulate the google rankings in his favor, and away from what's objectively best for the searchers. Maybe he doesn't know google has rules about or how exactly the SEO firm is going to go about, but he's not an innocent victim.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other side of this coin is that spammers can buy pagerank by purchasing a reputable domain and then using it for spam. That, it turns out, it what happened here (according to a Google engineer who explained after I published this): http://lee-phillips.org/hitchYellowPages/

Good post but I wish it had a date on it -- hard to know if recent or 5 years ago. Am I just not seeing the date?

No, I neglected to date it. As far as I can tell from my notes it's from Jan. 20, 2012.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#35
post #30

I had a similar thing happen on my personal site, also due to phpBB2. The bad guys used an exploit in phpBB2 to upload a bunch of images of ads for cheap drugs and male enhancement products, and then they spammed links to those images to websites and in email. I have no idea if Google noticed or cared, because I had nothing on my site that I expected people to find via search. I did have one page, some analysis I wro…

This is the way search should work, and it only goes to show how well Google is doing it. People shouldn't have or even want to do SEO, they should just make great content and wait for their rankings.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#36
post #14

This is what happens when Google actively penalizes sites for something that is totally out of their control (links pointing to their site). Granted, a large chunk of spammers know exactly what they are doing when they blast 1000s of links into a site, but what about the average webmaster? Or the small business owner who knows nothing about SEO and relies on a cheap "SEO firm"? Or somebody who isn't an SEO expert buy…

> Granted, a large chunk of spammers know exactly what they are doing when they blast 1000s of links into a site, but what about the average webmaster? Or the small business owner who knows nothing about SEO and relies on a cheap "SEO firm"? There was a cheesy TV show several years back about a group of con artists, I don't remember the name but they had a sort of motto that applies here: "you can't con an honest man…

Well, there is the classic W.C. Fields movie, "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man". It opens with a con where a cashier pretends to be distracted and acts like he is overcounting the change for a customer, who grabs the money and runs. But the ruse is to cover up the fact that the cashier actually short-changed the customer, who, if he had tried to protect the cashier from giving him too much change, would not have been cheated.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#37

I had a site that was hacked. Over 250k links were built. They were pointing to a new page on the site. We found out about the hack via Google Webmaster Tools. They sent a notice it was a malware issue. We cleaned up the hack and 404 the page. To this day, there are still over 100k links that Google says is out there. The nice part is, there is no indication of any negative action taken by Google.

This suggests one could work around the Google penalty by having the bad-links (PHPBB forums in the OP) link to malware pages.

I think you'd call that a high-risk strategy however.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is Google's fault that their pagerank algorithm isn't sophisticated enough to handle understanding that internet domain ownership isn't static, and for not understanding that spam sites pointing to 404s on another site are a prime indication that a change has happened.

Spammers are certainly able to have the whois data on a domain changed. It's simply a catch 22 for Google.

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Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#39
The real trouble here is that this risk kills investment in developing new and better web sites.

Want to make a better competitor to w3schools? Good luck. It takes just one screw up and all the hard work and money you put into it go down the drain. Practically anybody who makes web sites for profit today has to look at it the way a black hat does because you're going to get treated like a black hat.

Re: How Google Nuked Sports Media Watch For A Crime It Did Not Commit

#40
post #2

You didn't do your research. Your domain had a spam history. Also, a simple backlink analysis from any SEO would have turned up these issues and then you could have promptly disavowed them and be done with it. It's not Google's fault that you didn't dot you i's and cross your t's as a webmaster.

It is Google's fault that their pagerank algorithm isn't sophisticated enough to handle understanding that internet domain ownership isn't static, and for not understanding that spam sites pointing to 404s on another site are a prime indication that a change has happened.

PageRank is smoke and mirrors. Usage data, sampled either from Google Analytics or the Chrome browser, is orders of magnitude more useful.
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