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Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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I read the paper and found it to be intelligible and interesting, making reasonable attempts to justify sound, plausible hypothesis. Obviously he may not be right, but his explanations are well worth reading.

This describes many, many translation attempts of the Voynich Manuscript, though. At this point it's hard for me to consider another one of these attempts worth reading, because they all seem to follow the same pattern. Try and identify plants/stars/places in the text by their real names, work backwards from those names, find some other semi-intelligible parts of the manuscript based on that, then handwave away the 8…

It's pretty dubious that he says "I hit on the idea of identifying proper names in the text", like it was a novel idea.

One recent attempt: same method, drastically different results: http://cms.herbalgram.org/herbalgram/issue100/hg100-feat-voy...

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This describes many, many translation attempts of the Voynich Manuscript, though. At this point it's hard for me to consider another one of these attempts worth reading, because they all seem to follow the same pattern. Try and identify plants/stars/places in the text by their real names, work backwards from those names, find some other semi-intelligible parts of the manuscript based on that, then handwave away the 8…

then handwave away the 80% of the manuscript that has to be gibberish because the information density is too low to be some kind of natural language Well, if you'd read more carefully, you'd know that Stephen Bax is precisely claiming that it is a natural language. And I don't know as much as you regarding the other translation attempts, but from what I gathered, they made assumptions which are incorrect from a lingu…

I think you mis-read that sentence. The 'because ...' applies to 'has to be gibberish' not 'handwave away the 80%'. He's saying that it is impossible to be a natural language because the information density is too low and that this author as well as all others willfully ignore that reality.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

then handwave away the 80% of the manuscript that has to be gibberish because the information density is too low to be some kind of natural language Well, if you'd read more carefully, you'd know that Stephen Bax is precisely claiming that it is a natural language. And I don't know as much as you regarding the other translation attempts, but from what I gathered, they made assumptions which are incorrect from a lingu…

I think you mis-read that sentence. The 'because ...' applies to 'has to be gibberish' not 'handwave away the 80%'. He's saying that it is impossible to be a natural language because the information density is too low and that this author as well as all others willfully ignore that reality.

So, presumably you think these folk are wrong then -

Probing the Statistical Properties of Unknown Texts: Application to the Voynich Manuscript

While the use of statistical physics methods to analyze large corpora has been useful to unveil many patterns in texts, no comprehensive investigation has been performed on the interdependence between syntactic and semantic factors. In this study we propose a framework for determining whether a text (e.g., written in an unknown alphabet) is compatible with a natural language and to which language it could belong. The approach is based on three types of statistical measurements, i.e. obtained from first-order statistics of word properties in a text, from the topology of complex networks representing texts, and from intermittency concepts where text is treated as a time series. Comparative experiments were performed with the New Testament in 15 different languages and with distinct books in English and Portuguese in order to quantify the dependency of the different measurements on the language and on the story being told in the book. The metrics found to be informative in distinguishing real texts from their shuffled versions include assortativity, degree and selectivity of words. As an illustration, we analyze an undeciphered medieval manuscript known as the Voynich Manuscript. We show that it is mostly compatible with natural languages and incompatible with random texts. We also obtain candidates for keywords of the Voynich Manuscript which could be helpful in the effort of deciphering it. Because we were able to identify statistical measurements that are more dependent on the syntax than on the semantics, the framework may also serve for text analysis in language-dependent applications.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjourna...

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mis-read that sentence. The 'because ...' applies to 'has to be gibberish' not 'handwave away the 80%'. He's saying that it is impossible to be a natural language because the information density is too low and that this author as well as all others willfully ignore that reality.

So, presumably you think these folk are wrong then - Probing the Statistical Properties of Unknown Texts: Application to the Voynich Manuscript While the use of statistical physics methods to analyze large corpora has been useful to unveil many patterns in texts, no comprehensive investigation has been performed on the interdependence between syntactic and semantic factors. In this study we propose a framework for de…

Oh, I don't really have an opinion either way or the other (as I don't have enough information on it). I was just clarifying the intent of my grandparent.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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post #13
post #4

I wish I knew more about linguistics to understand his this work further. Though it seems a bit odd to host his work on his own personal site, rather than one hosted by his institution.

> Though it seems a bit odd to host his work on his own personal site, rather than one hosted by his institution. Anecdotal experience of mine is that there's a trend for some academics (at least in astronomy) to put everything on their personal site. It makes for more consistent "personal branding", as your web presence isn't moved every 2-3 years as you move from postdoc to postdoc to faculty position.

Also the University's CMS may be very bad.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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post #15

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It reminds me of attending freshman orientation. It was suggested to us that we use our university e-mail address for all professional communication. They didn't really have a good answer for whether that e-mail would stick around after I graduated. Or whether access to that account would be available forever, or whether it would be free. I didn't even bother asking why anyone would want an ugly e-mail address like p…

> They didn't really have a good answer for whether that e-mail would stick around after I graduated. Or whether access to that account would be available forever, or whether it would be free. Yeah, that can be an issue. It seems to be pretty common now for universities to let folks keep their email addresses (since they often outsource the addresses to google). > I didn't even bother asking why anyone would want an…

UCSC wanted to charge me for the "privilege" of retaining an @ucsc.edu address. I think there were options of annual or lifetime payments.

That didn't seem plausible to me, but I guess they must be getting something from some sucker somewhere. :/

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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So, presumably you think these folk are wrong then - Probing the Statistical Properties of Unknown Texts: Application to the Voynich Manuscript While the use of statistical physics methods to analyze large corpora has been useful to unveil many patterns in texts, no comprehensive investigation has been performed on the interdependence between syntactic and semantic factors. In this study we propose a framework for de…

Oh, I don't really have an opinion either way or the other (as I don't have enough information on it). I was just clarifying the intent of my grandparent.

Well, in clarifying someone else's intent you appear to have gone a bit further and seemed to be supportive of them about what is and isn't reality in this case, which doesn't seem to make much sense if you don't actually have an opinion on this subject.

How do you know their intent anyway? Are they actually your grandparent?

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This describes many, many translation attempts of the Voynich Manuscript, though. At this point it's hard for me to consider another one of these attempts worth reading, because they all seem to follow the same pattern. Try and identify plants/stars/places in the text by their real names, work backwards from those names, find some other semi-intelligible parts of the manuscript based on that, then handwave away the 8…

At this point it's hard for me to consider another one of these attempts worth reading Then your commentary on the subject is utterly worthless.

How many papers on perpetual motion machines have you wanted to read in the last year?

Does that make any commentary that you might make on the subject utterly worthless?

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