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Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by pessimizer »

nextos wrote: post #24
JVIDEL wrote: post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review . In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

http://neo900.org/ is costing me a fortune. Nokia really did something right smoothly moving their pre-iPhone mini-tablets forward into the new all-screen smartphone world. Too bad they didn't keep it going.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by RyanZAG »

skc wrote: post #23

It's pretty odd. I think it's fair to say that the only handset makers profiting off of Android today are...Samsung...and...that's about it really. Meager pickings for the rest of them. I don't see this succeeding at all. And in any case it's dead in the water once the Microsoft deal goes through because it just muddies the waters. A person that buys one of these cheap Nokia/Android phones would reasonably expect tha…

Samsung, Xiamo, Huawei, Lenovo all appear to be making good profits off of Android. There are a few other smaller players also making good profits, although note that Huawei and Lenovo are pretty big players, easily bigger than RIM/Nokia/etc.

So I don't think that argument holds much water - if Nokia made an Android phone that people wanted, they could very easily charge a premium (Sony does after all, but they just barely break even on massive staffing costs) and potentially make profits too.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by pessimizer »

hbharadwaj wrote: post #29
nextos wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review . In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

Thank god none of you are in charge. Just kidding or am I? Elop played the game straight forward. Forking is a half baked option and when you are leveraging your company, forking is not an option. You need full scale OS support and that means, Nokia could have either gone with MS or Google. Google apparently refused to make space for Nokia's competing service suite (Read-Business Week) and as such, the option was onl…

>You need full scale OS support and that means, Nokia could have either gone with MS or Google.

I don't know what this means.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by bestdayever »

_random_ wrote: post #15
dserban wrote: post #5

Linus Torvalds once said: "If Microsoft ever starts developing apps for Linux, it means I won." Is this close enough?

Won what? Besides Nokia is not really Microsoft and Android is not really a Linux, so the answer is probably "not really".

>not really a linux

I lol'd

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by sgloutnikov »

nextos wrote: post #24
JVIDEL wrote: post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review . In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

One of my favorite phones along with the N95. The overall design of the whole product is pure genius in my opinion. Sad what happened to it. I own two of them, and use the N9 from time to time when I feel nostalgic.

I think they could have kept working on it on the side, and released a phone every 1-2 years. Even with the minimal size MeeGo team at Nokia, they released 3 major updates.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by pessimizer »

leobelle wrote: post #19
_random_ wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won what? Besides Nokia is not really Microsoft and Android is not really a Linux, so the answer is probably "not really".

How is Android "not really a Linux ? It runs the Linux kernel. That means it's Linux. No, it's not a distribution of GNU/Linux, but it's a Linux kernel. It's really using Linux. It's as Linux as Ubuntu, as Ubuntu also runs on a Linux kernel.

Why would anybody have cared about Linux except as an academic exercise if not for GNU? If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that.

Linux has been great and Linus is a great steward, but Linux without GNU is a base for creating an OS, not an OS.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by mnglkhn2 »

Nokia has the hardware chops to produce good Android phones (in the same league as Samsung). At the same time, Nokia also has the software development chops to polish the Android platform to its liking. I doubt the phone will be a simple AOSP fork. Nokia will most likely try and play the same game Samsung is playing. Google will have to decide to what extent it will license Android to Nokia. Imagine that it cannot say no, since it will look really bad then.

From my perspective, this is a very good move by Nokia. Good hardware and nice software polish will make for nice phones. Don't forget, Nokia knows how to bring the phone at a good price point. They will actually put quite a bit of pressure on Samsung and Google. This is why Lenovo will take over Motorola. Lenovo also has solid hardware chops.

It will be very interesting and good for consumers.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by sgloutnikov »

wmf wrote: post #26
jemeshsu wrote: post #6

I hope one day Nokia will release Windows Phone Bootcamp for those Nokia Android phone. Similar to how one bootcamp to Windows from Mac OS X. If MS has its own Android stores/platform, its a win-win.

Supposedly Nokia is only building Android phones because Windows Phone 8 won't fit on low-end hardware.

Are you kidding? WP8 fits much better on low-end hardware. Just look at the Lumia 520.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by sliverstorm »

_random_ wrote: post #15
dserban wrote: post #5

Linus Torvalds once said: "If Microsoft ever starts developing apps for Linux, it means I won." Is this close enough?

Won what? Besides Nokia is not really Microsoft and Android is not really a Linux, so the answer is probably "not really".

But what if we mostly just want to feel smug?

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by dhruvmittal »

Zikes wrote: post #9
dserban wrote: post #5

Linus Torvalds once said: "If Microsoft ever starts developing apps for Linux, it means I won." Is this close enough?

Already happened with Skype.

While it's true that they didn't drop support for Skype when they acquired it, and even continued to update it, what are the chances they'd have said "Hey, let's port skype to qt and put it on linux!" on their own?
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