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The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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The parts where the heaviest protests take place correlate with the pre-WW II Polish borders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line Being from Poland I wish our politicians tried to use this situation as an opportunity to re-annex western part of Ukraine. Maybe not entire half of it, but f.eg. Lvov used to be a beautiful Polish city before the war.

... and an Austrian city long before that

... and Ukrainian (technically Ruthenian) city long before that. [1]

So, xiadzpl, don't hold your breath. [2]

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv#History

2. http://http2.github.io/http2-spec/#GTFO

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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post #3

This article helped me understand the conflict in ways I hadn't before. My constructive critique: The analogy of red states and blue states to Ukrainian language and Russian language regions doesn't fit entirely. A state is red or blue with 51% of the vote. these regions have a much larger gap between majority and minority opinion by region.

The dividing line roughly corresponds to the spread of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at its peak in the 1600s: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/deut/EU1559.jpg In other words, one could argue that the root of the conflict is a cultural clash between Polonized Ukrainians vs Russified Ukrainians.

Correct, during USSR era it was calm, but now started to burn again.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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This is map is outdated, the situation is changing rapidly. There are now more than 10 government centers occupied by protesters. Mass protests are occurring nearly in all regions of Ukraine.

BTW, good news! "Dictatorship laws" were repealed 5 minutes ago at the time of writing of this comment.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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post #24

The parts where the heaviest protests take place correlate with the pre-WW II Polish borders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line Being from Poland I wish our politicians tried to use this situation as an opportunity to re-annex western part of Ukraine. Maybe not entire half of it, but f.eg. Lvov used to be a beautiful Polish city before the war.

Just like your country annexed part of Czechoslovakia at the beginning of WW2. Some people never learn.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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post #24

The parts where the heaviest protests take place correlate with the pre-WW II Polish borders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line Being from Poland I wish our politicians tried to use this situation as an opportunity to re-annex western part of Ukraine. Maybe not entire half of it, but f.eg. Lvov used to be a beautiful Polish city before the war.

You cannot turn back the wheel of time.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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post #3

This article helped me understand the conflict in ways I hadn't before. My constructive critique: The analogy of red states and blue states to Ukrainian language and Russian language regions doesn't fit entirely. A state is red or blue with 51% of the vote. these regions have a much larger gap between majority and minority opinion by region.

The dividing line roughly corresponds to the spread of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at its peak in the 1600s: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/deut/EU1559.jpg In other words, one could argue that the root of the conflict is a cultural clash between Polonized Ukrainians vs Russified Ukrainians.

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Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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post #33

This is map is outdated, the situation is changing rapidly. There are now more than 10 government centers occupied by protesters. Mass protests are occurring nearly in all regions of Ukraine. BTW, good news! "Dictatorship laws" were repealed 5 minutes ago at the time of writing of this comment.

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