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Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#31

Cars are commodities, and should not be sold by salesman on commission. I'm not buying another car until mine falls apart.

The salesmen could be needed - because cars are commodities.

If a customer walks in your door, you really need to sell them on your brand of car, at your dealership.

If the dealerships were manufacturer owned, perhaps the commission would be lower and service level higher.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#33
Would really like to find out why they're shutting down. I ran a virtual car dealership for a while and then started a similar site to carwoo, before carwoo. It was absolutely crazy. Six months into it, both my cofounder and I decided it was best to shut it down (amid concerns that his employer might just end up getting all or a significant chunk of our work).

The auto industry is a very weird one. Entrenched in their own way, and I learned that it's a zero sum type game where the one willing to stoop the lowest will win. Going to a few "dealer workshops" I learned psychological tactics to make the customer feel like crap to get them to pay you more money and sign contracts that they would inevitably regret later. Eventually I realized that in the back it's really a financing industry (at least for new cars) and for used cars it's a zero sum, get the most you can scenario or bloodsucking buy here pay here deals.

After a significant amount of time and money, I was humbled at how much of an uphill battle it was to try to innovate in the industry. Have been watching CarWoo & TrueCar with a lot of interest (I'm a fan) since I can feel what they're up against. I'd like to know why CarWoo feels it's time to shut it down. Tesla has, IMHO, disrupted the new car market to some degree and the industry is dire need of change. Here's to hoping the folks at CarWoo go on to bigger and better things!

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#34

Cars are commodities, and should not be sold by salesman on commission. I'm not buying another car until mine falls apart.

This. All dealerships should be converted to car delivery and ordering centers (with one of each model for test driving). The middle man cost should be wiped out, and the business should move to an order > build > x days to deliver approach. Save buyers $3,500 on a $30,000 car, let them further and easier customize, and they will wait for delivery.

Simply put, replace build car > sell car, with sell car > build car.

As it is, car salesmen are nothing more than order takers that generate a large commission and overhead; the customers come to you. They only still exist because of massive regulatory controls that have created a dealership cartel.

Auto makers would become significantly more profitable in this model as well, no more massive piles of inventory or huge mistakes in guessing which models will sell. This ancient, backwards model currently costs GM and Ford billions each year in lost profit, and costs consumers billions in unnecessary middle-man mark-up.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#35

Cars are commodities, and should not be sold by salesman on commission. I'm not buying another car until mine falls apart.

One of the world's most complex engineering challenges, filled with tens of thousands of highly engineered parts and tens of millions of lines of code, with per unit pricing ranging from $10k to $100k+, is a "commodity"?

The term "commodity" typically refers to products that feature little to no differentiation between each other. It means you could largely "throw a dart" to pick one, and you'd be no better or worse off than someone who does meticulous research.

That you say you won't buy another car until yours falls apart already suggests that perhaps you don't actually consider cars to be a commodity. Sure, you won't upgrade in order to get a faster or more luxurious car. But I'd imaging from your statement that reliability is probably important for you. Although you don't state it, if you frequently have family with you in the car, or even if you don't, there's a good chance safety is important as well. Cars from various manufacturers vary greatly in both these respects.

Not to mention that for other people, sportiness, luxuriousness, ruggedness, storage space, and other factors are important as well, and cars vary on those dimensions as well.

If the vehicle market qualifies as a commodity, so are the majority of markets of any sort, to the degree that the concept of a commodity adopts a useless definition.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#36
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well as the article said, try http://www.truecar.com/ I guess. Being in Canada, I was hoping that CarWoo would do well and eventually move up north. The car purchasing experience is terrible, and is very ready for a disruption.

I may be wrong but truecar doesn't remove the need to haggle?

On the flip side of the other comments, I used the TrueCar service about 4 months ago. For the specific trim that I wanted (standard trim, not crazy options), several dealership websites had prices on them that were several thousand dollars lower than the TrueCar price, and that was before any negotiations happened at all. So I would use the TrueCar service again for doing research, but I am not confident of their ability to deliver a good "no haggle" price.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#37
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Am I the only one that doesn't mind the car-buying process? All it takes is the fortitude to sit through a litany of maneuvers trying to convince you to agree on a price - when you've got zero obligation to consent. Sure - it takes time, which is a scare commodity for many - but for the amount of money generally being spent, I've got no problem pushing a salesperson to get the price to where I want it.

I have a fond memory of going with my roommate when he was buying a new car. He had a decent amount to give as a down payment. Armed with the knowledge of how much the dealer pays, he basically walked in, said he'd buy a certain car for a certain amount and not more and handed them his down payment check. The salesman took the offer to his manager. He returned with a counter offer. My roommate didn't budge. After thr…

On a similar note, here's a technique I've heard described (although I haven't actually tried it).

Go in to a dealership, haggle a bit, and if you don't get the price you want, say "OK, I'm going to go out and do some more shopping... here's my card, give me a call if you change your mind". Apparently just the threat of walking away will sometimes prompt some movement, and if you do walk out, you'll sometimes get a call the next day with a better offer.

I think they key is that it's not a bluff; you actually have to be willing to get up, walk away, and go look at something else.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#38
This is really a shame. I used them to buy my car a year ago and the process was fantastic. I ended up getting about $5k below the sticker price by combining the five or so offers I got from CarWoo with information from TrueCar and playing the best two dealerships against each other. To top it off I got them to give me 0% interest over a three year payment.

Hopefully something like CarWoo will exist the next time I need to buy a car, or the industry changes so drastically that we don't need to worry about haggling anymore.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

#39

Cars are commodities, and should not be sold by salesman on commission. I'm not buying another car until mine falls apart.

Depending on your preference for engaging in negotiation and buying and selling, there is a pretty reasonable model to show you should buy a typical 3 year old used car and then sell it around year 5 or so thus buying a car when it is still reliable has past the fastest part of its depreciation curve and selling it when it's about to fall down the reliability curve and still worth close to what you paid for it.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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I was totally going to use them to buy a car next month! Are there any good alternatives? I can't handle anymore haggling and tricks.

Well as the article said, try http://www.truecar.com/ I guess. Being in Canada, I was hoping that CarWoo would do well and eventually move up north. The car purchasing experience is terrible, and is very ready for a disruption.

Try http://unhaggle.com in Canada. I used them to buy my car and was very satisfied.
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