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To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Yes explain to me how keeping things the way they are will fix the situation.

I will do that as soon as you explain how treating female coders as if they were freaks, segregating them in their own class, decreases the problem of integration of more female coders in tech. Perhaps the issue of "feeling alien to the community" would be improved by, you know, not alienating females from the community, with sexist behavior such as this.

I would never consider a female coder to be any different from a male one. I am merely giving anecdotal evidence that female students of the 11 - 17 age group learn significantly better when they are amongst their peers. My decision to make a few of our classes into girls-only ones was to allow the girls who felt uncomfortable in a male-dominated setting to still have an opportunity to learn in a setting they found comfortable. My underlying motivation was not to segregate them, but to give them another option - we still have girls attending our regular classes, and this is hardly the issue that some of the commenters here are making it out to be.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Probably because some women think they are ostracized because of their gender only, and not because of their skills (or lack of?). It's always funny to see these kind of gender kind of statements, you don't see the same thing with races at all like "I am Asian and I code" - I just find this line of reasonning by separating people with one criteria (gender/race/eye color/hair color/whatever) really preposterous, yet s…

Your comment is fairly disgusting, it admits that women are ostracized in the industry but then implies its because they ... as a gender ... lack the skill to code. But the rest of the statement was ironic given recent popular story about the topic - http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/01/...

Notice the question mark after the "lack of skills" - I'm just saying this may be one reason among others. Not everything revolves around gender.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Yes exactly. I'm a bit fed up with people advocating more women in . As far as I can tell these same people don't complain that teachers and nurses jobs are mainly occupied by women. Everybody seem to agree that a nursing job is not attractive for most men. Maybe the reason that women are few in tech is because these professions are not attractive to them.

I feel that both ethnic and gender diversity can improve many work environments, be it software development or nursing.

Maybe men should start advocating for more boys in ? Sounds like a good Superbowl Ad campaign!

Side note: I remember in my first year of university there was like 30 girls and 1 boy in the nursing faculty. Everyone cheered on that lucky guy :P

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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There is nothing about programming computers that is gender specific; in fact it seems kind of weird and awkward that we have to discuss this at all. Given that so many of the foundational figures of the field ( Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, etc. ) were female, the fact that programming and IT became an almost entirely male-dominated profession is suspicious, and should make us question the attitudes and social constru…

What's weird is that people assume that this has to do with programming specifically, instead of the larger workings of gender as a social construction and hierarchy (laid upon the material reality of sex dimorphism). Discussing gender isn't weird, men (and many women) just aren't very literate about the thing.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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This is extremely sexist and needlessly hostile. It's like being male and interested in coding is somehow associated with all the stereotypical male attributes which turns off women from coding. Ah, so we need to have boys acting less like boys because it's clearly why we don't have more women in tech. So we all need to teach teen boys to become meterosexual so it can be more inviting and suitable for females? I thin…

Yes explain to me how keeping things the way they are will fix the situation.

imho, I think we should target less popular and possibly more important situations (all relative, I know) such as helping people in 3rd world nations to get better access to IT & education.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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I run a private education organization that teaches kids how to code at a physical facility, and we get a gender breakup of male and female students that is similar to that of the industry (around 80 - 20). Because of the overwhelming male presence, it is difficult to make a comfortable learning environment for the female students, who may often feel uncomfortable, at odds with, or ostracized by pseudo-masculine effo…

>>Our solution was to simply make a small set of our classes for girls only.

Your solution will make the problem worse. Because nothing will really change in the way boys work, and you will see the same late night, whole night, full weekend culture among them.

Girl's classes will see a far little attendance totally detached from culture in the other part of world. Soon the rewards will dry out and move towards crazy work culture and attendance in girls classes will decline.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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It would be really nice to see more females in the industry, but I rally have to ask myself if those artificial promotions will help much. I never learned to program because of some courses or because the industry needed me, I started programming because I wanted to create things. There was just a natural interest in computers and how they work, that's what drove and often still drives me today. If females have the same passion and/or will to create things, then I don't see what is stopping them from doing so. Sure it might be intimidating to work in a rather male-dominated profession, but personally I have enough of all the generalization that is happening. Not every company/community is unable to respect anyone just because of their gender. Then again maybe it's quite a bit different here in Europe.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Its not about programming. Or anything to do with the profession. Its has much to do with the culture. In my first project near impossible work conditions and deadlines were placed on us. Most of us had to make extreme sacrifices(health wise, socially and in many aspects)- The other option was being out of the job. The problem is you need a supporting family. Here in India, its difficult for women at least socially a…

I would say it depends a lot on the country as well. In many European countries those conditions would suffice for a class action against the employer.

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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Its not about programming. Or anything to do with the profession. Its has much to do with the culture. In my first project near impossible work conditions and deadlines were placed on us. Most of us had to make extreme sacrifices(health wise, socially and in many aspects)- The other option was being out of the job. The problem is you need a supporting family. Here in India, its difficult for women at least socially a…

I would say it depends a lot on the country as well. In many European countries those conditions would suffice for a class action against the employer.

>>those conditions would suffice for a class action against the employer.

What good would that do?

If you pass laws that make it difficult to start and sustain a competitive company, next time around you will see such companies would be starting up in some other country.

Now the whole ecosystem suffers.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Well, that's cool. While I totally get the point of what the OP was trying to do (and it's awesome trying to be make female coders/founders more visible), I have to confess that as a fellow 'girl of HackerNews', I think the title could be less leading and a bit more constructive.

There are other female founders out there that code. I'm sorry to say that you're not the first, nor the last. It's about how we get MORE female founders and female coders to increase the diversity of the startup world.

(Incidentally, I'm female, a startup founder and I code. )

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