Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe if you were a touch less condescending and arrogant, and refrained from making baseless judgments, you would get more up-votes. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the "average user here is neither an expert in practically anything, nor likely a productive member of society"? I disagree with many users, but have no reason to indict them.
"if you were a touch less condescending and arrogant, and refrained from making baseless judgments, you would get more up-votes." That's exactly why you are wrong. In your world, upvotes are based on niceties and political correctness, but in my world that should be based on experience and expertise.
The Death Of Expertise
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#32> The death of expertise is a rejection not only of knowledge, but of the ways in which we gain knowledge and learn about things. Fundamentally, it’s a rejection of science and rationality, which are the foundations of Western civilization itself. Yes, I said “Western civilization”: that paternalistic, racist, ethnocentric approach to knowledge that created the nuclear bomb, the Edsel, and New Coke, but which also keeps diabetics alive, lands mammoth airliners in the dark, and writes documents like the Charter of the United Nations.
But there are many experts in sociology who would ask us precisely to reject science, rationality and Western Civilization.
I think a far better approach is to educate all people better, so they are able to properly appreciate the knowledge of experts because they understand the field. One aspect of this would be teaching a lot more statistics, although the classical fields of debate and critical reasoning are also important.
Another problem is that many people, especially academics, think it is more important to push a particular agenda, than to make the public more informed in general. Hence people who want to promote gay rights, for example, don't want people to know that the probability getting AIDS from heterosexual intercourse with a White woman is extremely low. But in order to do this, they have to actively lower people's understanding of probability and statistics. They have to teach people to ignore their (admittedly imperfect) intuition about conditional probability.
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#34Expertise needs to grant you a visible advantage in some way, or of course people aren't going to respect it. You can respect experts with computers very easily, they can do things you can't, or they can do things you can much more easily.
Expertise in other areas is similar. Trained doctors produce measurably better outcomes than laymen and the system in which they're trained is trustable enough, and the systems they practice in are generally well designed enough, that it's pretty common wisdom to trust doctors. Of course not everyone does, but then again people have believed in crap like homeopathy for a long time, that's nothing new.
Experts in philosophy? Social science? English? That's a lot harder to measure, and to then be sure that you've got someone who's a well-vetted member of the expert group, rather than someone with a degree who's spamming noise is harder still. Not that I'm saying that they are, just that the visible manifestations of their expertise are very hard for the average person to see in some areas.
And let's face it, as students - by and large - aren't expected to do particularly hard things any more in most subject areas, that provides less and less opportunity for the expert to demonstrate their skill even when someone has the rare opportunity of interacting with them.
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> Once upon a time — way back in the Dark Ages before the 2000s — people seemed to understand, in a general way, the difference between experts and laymen. There was a clear demarcation in political food fights, as objections and dissent among experts came from their peers — that is, from people equipped with similar knowledge. The public, largely, were spectators.
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And thus you can't say either way whether they respected you enough to change their opinion, at least not based solely on that observation. Their thoughts simply weren't on display.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe if you were a touch less condescending and arrogant, and refrained from making baseless judgments, you would get more up-votes. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the "average user here is neither an expert in practically anything, nor likely a productive member of society"? I disagree with many users, but have no reason to indict them.
"if you were a touch less condescending and arrogant, and refrained from making baseless judgments, you would get more up-votes." That's exactly why you are wrong. In your world, upvotes are based on niceties and political correctness, but in my world that should be based on experience and expertise.
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If you believe that anger and defensiveness harm rational thinking.
And:
That being rude is liable to make people angry and defensive.
Then - regardless of what world you'd rather live in - being condescending and arrogant seems liable to be ill aligned with your aims.
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#36http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/05/the-smartes...
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#37> I am (or at least think I am) an expert. Not on everything, but in a particular area of human knowledge, specifically social science and public policy.
At least as far as the US is concerned, public policy encompasses everything. So as far as I can tell, this person really is claiming to be an expert on everything.
"Social science" does not fair much better. NOAD helpfully supplies "the scientific study of human society and social relationships". That seems to be a substantially broad claim, on the level of claiming to be an expert in, say, physical science. While there certainly are a few people who might make a competent application for that title (Feinman comes to mind), it seems to stretch the meaning of "expert", as Feinman's expertise in, say, biology, is of a substantially different sort than his expertise in particle physics.
I think the author may be falsely attributing his frustration about being heard to the "generational" "disregard for experts" instead of his own inability to defend an overly broad claim of expertise. If this article was "I am an expert in how much money we should be spending on space exploration and nobody is listening to me" then that would be an interesting, and entirely different, discussion. As it stands it's just tilting at windmills.
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#38This is the same alarmist nonsense that's been floating around since forever under one or another banner. This time it's expertise; last time it was "the end of intellectualism" and next time it'll be "Are we heading toward a chasm at full speed because PhDs aren't choosing the president?" It's mostly intellectually embarrassing foolish nonsense. There's a significant difference between experts like developers, docto…
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#39I think the author is just lamenting on the lost prestige and authority of experts. It was inevitable to happen, as knowledge is cheapening. I would like to say i sympathize with him, but i don't, there's no evidence that the experts of yesterday were any better than the experts of today.
The real thing to lament about is how expertise has been superseded by popularity.
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#40I'm in agreement with the author on the idea that expertise has been cheapened by our culture.
I like to use the term "mastery" over "expertise" because I think the concept of mastery better embodies what a true expert brings to the table.
To me, a true expert (master) is someone who has deep knowledge in a given domain (or set of related domains).
You can't fake mastery. Mastery is, in part, the ability to produce consistent, high-quality results over time.
Anyone can get lucky once, or even a few times, but a master can deliver superior results more consistently than anyone else in that domain.
The issue now, as I see it, is what the author calls entitlement. I would add to that, impatience.
People want to be masters (experts) now, not later. We want to hack our educations and get results faster than the 1000's of people who came before us.
In the process of our impatience and unwillingness to submit to the rigors of craft, we, instead, settle for the illusion of expertise.
It's strange to me that people think a deep level of knowledge can come from anything other than a lifetime of hard work and dedication to a given subject.
Yet, we still kid ourselves into thinking that being the next Picasso, Sergey Brin, or Yo Yo Ma is just a matter of reading a few books and blogs.
An expert spends a lifetime learning a few things deeply. A dilettante knows a little about a lot.