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YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by KB »

bmelton wrote: post #25
KB wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest IE6 population work wise is the US Government and they have little to no intention of upgrading to anything else anytime soon. I'm currently stuck in the hell of developing web applications for government contracts that are targeted to IE6. For example... No multi css class support in IE6, which kills lots of JS libs. Horrible stuff.

You MIGHT be right, but I do web application development for government, and I was recently surprised when my new laptop was delivered with IE8 on the standard image. For this particular agency, EDS is their GSS provider, so if EDS is incorporating IE8 into their ESA image, I wouldn't expect that it's too far off at other agencies they provide general support services for. Of course, now I've got to make all the apps…

That's promising to hear. I worked IT for a large government contractor for years and it often took long amounts of time to roll out new images to the whole company. Considering the average lease time of 3 years, a full IE8 rollout could certainly take time.

I was especially surprised to hear about the piloting of Firefox. Is there a site somewhere to keep up on technology rollouts across the different US Gov't agencies? Or at least the ones EDS provides support for?

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by joshfinnie »

Xichekolas wrote: post #12
statictype wrote: post #4

This is great. It's going to take big and popular sites like Youtube and Facebook to finally kill of IE6.

Except most IE6 installs are in corporate environments, which most likely already block youtube and facebook, so it won't really change anything. Now if we could get Sun, IBM, and Google to all swear off IE6, maybe some IT departments would grudgingly update to IE7.

Also, the people who are not upgrading their browsers (mostly because they are not technologically savvy) are not frequenting websites like YouTube and Facebook. My grandfather doesn't know what Facebook is and is definitely still running IE6 (even though I tried to get him onto Firefox)!

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by nailer »

calambrac wrote: post #17

No Safari link? Given that Chrome is WebKit, you'd think they'd throw a little love back.

Huh? WebKit is a portable version of KHTML, with an abstraction layer to handle the QT dependencies. Most of the love would be aimed at the KDE developers.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by vulpes »

joshfinnie wrote: post #32
Xichekolas wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except most IE6 installs are in corporate environments, which most likely already block youtube and facebook, so it won't really change anything. Now if we could get Sun, IBM, and Google to all swear off IE6, maybe some IT departments would grudgingly update to IE7.

Also, the people who are not upgrading their browsers (mostly because they are not technologically savvy) are not frequenting websites like YouTube and Facebook. My grandfather doesn't know what Facebook is and is definitely still running IE6 (even though I tried to get him onto Firefox)!

do him a service and at least upgrade to IE8, it also does wonders if you just replace his 'internet' icon with a browser thats more recent, he'll never know the difference but will thank you later that he can watch videos of his grandsons on youtube.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by marcog1 »

mcav wrote: post #10
Ardit20 wrote: post #5

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Maybe IT Departments would notice if google.com did the same thing aswell. Would that be monopolistic however?

It'd probably be monopolistic if they blocked IE8, and maybe IE7. But I think IE6 is legitimately old enough, with enough known problems, that it would be justifiable if it ever came up in court.

It' doesn't take much for Google's web search to support an outdated browser since it uses minimal javascript, so Google will only lose out by blocking IE6.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by jpcx01 »

danw wrote: post #21
pilif wrote: post #6

This is actually a change welcome by most IE6 users. Well. Not by their users, but by their administrators. We now know that most people still on IE6 are on IE6 because they are forced by corporate policy, corporate policy that most likely forbids You Tube use if there are no filters in place that make consumption impossible in the first place. If you want to provide a web service to the corporate internet, you are s…

I've noticed a few corporates who still need IE6 for some internal web apps also installing firefox recently due to not being able to have two versions of IE installed.

I always figured the absolute best way to support old IE6 developed intranet apps would be a single site browser tool with embedded IE6. Like fluid for windows.

The problem is Microsofts boneheaded decision to make IE systemwide. Upgrading to IE7 also upgrades all webcontrol instances. So this doesn't seem feasable.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by bmelton »

KB wrote: post #31
bmelton wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You MIGHT be right, but I do web application development for government, and I was recently surprised when my new laptop was delivered with IE8 on the standard image. For this particular agency, EDS is their GSS provider, so if EDS is incorporating IE8 into their ESA image, I wouldn't expect that it's too far off at other agencies they provide general support services for. Of course, now I've got to make all the apps…

That's promising to hear. I worked IT for a large government contractor for years and it often took long amounts of time to roll out new images to the whole company. Considering the average lease time of 3 years, a full IE8 rollout could certainly take time. I was especially surprised to hear about the piloting of Firefox. Is there a site somewhere to keep up on technology rollouts across the different US Gov't agenc…

It's probably 'sensitive' information, as knowledge of the underlying tech gives the bad guys a guide on what to target, or at least that would be the ISSO friendly answer.

I don't know of anything that trends across gov, but if you had tie-ins with DOD, they'd probably give you the answer for that, as most of the other agencies I've dealt with sort of fall in line with them.

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Post by snprbob86 »

calambrac wrote: post #27
pbz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is pointless on Windows.

It's an alternate browser that supports modern web standards. How is it any more 'pointless' than Firefox or Chrome?

It basically only exists for the sake of testing without buying a Mac. Since it pulls in an entire Cocoa/Carbon/whatever stack, it uses an intense amount of ram and performs slowly.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by calambrac »

nailer wrote: post #33
calambrac wrote: post #17

No Safari link? Given that Chrome is WebKit, you'd think they'd throw a little love back.

Huh? WebKit is a portable version of KHTML, with an abstraction layer to handle the QT dependencies. Most of the love would be aimed at the KDE developers.

You used the word "portable". I used the word "love". Reflect for a second on what those particular terms mean in this particular context.

Give up? Okay: there are no mainstream KHTML browsers available for Windows, except for Safari and Chrome via WebKit, only one of which has a link showing up on YouTube.

Re: YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye

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Post by nailer »

calambrac wrote: post #39
nailer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? WebKit is a portable version of KHTML, with an abstraction layer to handle the QT dependencies. Most of the love would be aimed at the KDE developers.

You used the word "portable". I used the word "love". Reflect for a second on what those particular terms mean in this particular context. Give up? Okay: there are no mainstream KHTML browsers available for Windows, except for Safari and Chrome via WebKit, only one of which has a link showing up on YouTube.

I used the word love too actually. But I thought you meant thanks when you said it. I guess you didn't.
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