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Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by llamataboot »

btian wrote: post #10
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.

Except it's not. China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Infrastructure in Vietnam has improved to the extent that is ready for large manufacturing plants. While companies are saving by moving manufacturing plants, many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. I say it's a win win.

Ah yes, the wonderful world of libertarian thought. Where sweatshops to make cheap shit for rich countries is a win-win.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by Mikeb85 »

llamataboot wrote: post #31
btian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not. China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Infrastructure in Vietnam has improved to the extent that is ready for large manufacturing plants. While companies are saving by moving manufacturing plants, many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. I say it's a win win.

Ah yes, the wonderful world of libertarian thought. Where sweatshops to make cheap shit for rich countries is a win-win.

Look at how far China has progressed.

It has nothing to do with Libertarianism, and everything to do with Economics...

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by skriticos2 »

Tloewald wrote: post #9
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #5

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No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.

There was a wonderful Greenpeace poster from back in the 80s which had these words: "When the last tree is cut, the last river poisoned, and the last fish dead, we will discover that we can't eat money." It wasn't about workers' rights, but something along those lines seems to fit.

I always liked that quote, though the Greenpeace association is new to me. It supposedly originated as a native american proverb:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/20/last-tree-cut/

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by Pxtl »

Sharlin wrote: post #6
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #5

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No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.

I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.

By then the economy will be bad enough in some of the first countries they abandoned. 20 more years of decay in Detroit and it will be another viable 3rd-world manfacturing hellhole.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by bilbo0s »

chmike wrote: post #17
Sharlin wrote: post #6

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I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.

Africa is the next eldorado for manufacturing. It has already started.

I think (s)he's asking what happens after Africa.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by sanoli »

chmike wrote: post #17
Sharlin wrote: post #6

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I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.

Africa is the next eldorado for manufacturing. It has already started.

Probably true. I wonder why nobody ever counts Africa in these discussions. It's always "but what about when all the poor Asian workers start to earn higher wages and there are no more cheap countries left?".

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by sixthloginorso »

davidw wrote: post #28
jellicle wrote: post #19

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> many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. Aren't therefore many people (millions) in China going to experience lower standard of living?

The economy is not a zero-sum game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

The economy isn't magical either; jobs lost in one region because the factories closed and moved to another aren't necessarily going to be recouped by new job creation in a short span of time.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by [deleted] »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #8
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #5

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No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.

>>>Seems a little greedy. Which actually benefits us as the consumer. Would you prefer a less greedy corporation that goes where the most expensive labor is which then increases the cost of production which then increases the cost of the products you buy from said company? Greed is what keeps prices low, and competition high.

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Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Post by smoorman1024 »

chmike wrote: post #17
Sharlin wrote: post #6

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I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.

Africa is the next eldorado for manufacturing. It has already started.

Many parts of Africa are not politically stable enough to support this manufacturing. You should watch this Planet Money article to understand why Manufacturing (of T-Shirts in this case) move from one country to the next.

http://apps.npr.org/tshirt/#/title

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