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Some time ago there was a post on HN about the difference between a system and goal driven behavior. A system driven behavior applies a strategy over and over endlessly with improvement at each iteration. The goal driven behavior is a sprint based evolution. What the OP describes is a system which he acknowledges improves his expertise in the studied knowledge. My opinion is that system has the advantage over goals i…

Sounds like a fair summary, but you haven't addressed what (I believe) is the key issue: OP feels bad . pain [...] consistently high [...] don’t have the energy or enthusiasm I think a huge turn off for "goal-setting" is that corporations do it, and also that they do it for the purpose of productivity. However, I'm not suggesting it for productivity, but for satisfaction. The satisfaction of completely something. Of…

The whole thread resonates quite strongly with me. Many interesting points are made. I was just recently wondering whether I should pursue goals when engaging in activities I do for fun. Like you wrote, it is feels so corporation-ish but then again they seem to motivate us.

Another aspect, however, concerns motivation vs. commitment. When it comes to hobbies I am quite driven by motivation. Unfortunately, motivation often doesn't last long. That's why many people point out that commitment [doing something despite a momentary lack of motivation] > motivation.

And this gets me back to square one as commitment is something I rather associate with corporate culture than leisure time. [Of course, you could make being commited x times a week a goal to get some satisfaction out of it but I doubt that would work for me. It probably also depends on the activity: I can commit myself to regular exercise but I can not force myself to sit down and write some music 3x/week]

Re: The spiral of learning

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a fair summary, but you haven't addressed what (I believe) is the key issue: OP feels bad . pain [...] consistently high [...] don’t have the energy or enthusiasm I think a huge turn off for "goal-setting" is that corporations do it, and also that they do it for the purpose of productivity. However, I'm not suggesting it for productivity, but for satisfaction. The satisfaction of completely something. Of…

The whole thread resonates quite strongly with me. Many interesting points are made. I was just recently wondering whether I should pursue goals when engaging in activities I do for fun. Like you wrote, it is feels so corporation-ish but then again they seem to motivate us. Another aspect, however, concerns motivation vs. commitment. When it comes to hobbies I am quite driven by motivation. Unfortunately, motivation…

I've heard that action precedes motivation - you force yourself to start, and then you become engaged. I've found this is true for me.

Many (not all) professional novelists have a schedule, to ensure they write each day. They force themselves to type X words, or sit there for X hours (they get bored and start writing). But that's work, not leisure.

I think a distinction here is relaxation verses intrinsically meaningful activity. Many people find the latter the most rewarding... but goofing off and aimlessly following our whims, just for fun, has a place too. (Actually this worked well for Feynman).

Re: The spiral of learning

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Great article! It reminds me of a beautiful excerpt I recently discovered that might make you feel better about all your unfinished projects:

  Leaving something incomplete makes it interesting, and gives one the feeling that there is room for growth.    Someone once told me,  "Even when building the imperial palace, they always leave one place unfinished."  In both Buddhist and Confucian writings of the philosophers of former times, there are also many missing chapters. 
http://www.geocities.com/lesliebarclay/EssaysInIdleness.html
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