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How to do a startup in your spare time

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Re: How to do a startup in your spare time

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FWIW, some folks may have employment contracts with $dayjob which give that company intellectual property claims on all technical work by employees whether done on or off the job. The extent of those claims obviously depends on the contract itself, and enforceability varies by jurisdiction. (California is better on this than most US States, but even there, employers with a will may have enough wiggle room to make tro…

About this type of clauses, I've heard that "well, they are standard and are almost always ignored, as long as you don't cross the line (e.g. code for your side-projects in your day-job office)". I know this depends on the company, but, as a general rule, are these clauses really taken so lightly?

The clauses are often ignored by employees with side projects or startups because these clauses seldom cause any harm. But they seldom cause any harm because these side projects or startups seldom succeed. If your startup becomes the next Facebook, everyone will be after you.

In short, by taking these clauses lightly, you are creating failure paths for yourself that begin from the initial light of success. You may not want to kill your big success even before it happens. If your goal is just to create a side income, you would most likely be fine simply because a lawsuit would cost more money than what it may recover, or you may just get some threats/scoldings.

I have heard that if your side project or startup reaches something like $10 million in revenues, your big-company employer actually becomes liable to their shareholders to recover this money from you since it technically belongs to the shareholders.

Some high-profile entrepreneurs have told me that you should not worry about lawsuits as they only come when you succeed and when you do, you have resources to take care of them. But I have also known specific cases of things doing down because of such issues (like the example from etsimm, who also responded to your comment).

By the way, YCombinator submission form includes a question on such IP issues, though I may guess everyone just blindly picks "No issues" for it.

Re: How to do a startup in your spare time

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Much more worthy set of questions. I quit my job a year ago, learn to code a little, build some projects, and for 3 months I've been a full-time founder. But now I have to pay the bills (and still no traction), so I will start a day-job. But before that, I founded a startup while at my last day-job. It was kind of unique, as my boss didn't have any problem at all with it, even allowing me to work on it during work ho…

Great advice, but: "- Talk as little as possible. Even if you have a very transparent, honest relationship with you boss. If your boss might find detrimental you to have a startup, don't talk at all." I think it is better to talk about the possibility of a startup on your own time during the interview process. This has the side effect of filtering out jobs with controlling bosses. (You may not have this luxury, thoug…

>> Our tech agreement lets someone list a set of technologies they own that they are bringing with them, and explicitly renounces the company's ownership of them. It's also useful to understand and review any agreements you sign when accepting employment.

Totally. One thing to keep in mind though is that the exclusion applies only for work done before joining the company [1]. Even if you list something there, if you continue working on it, you may still have an issue.

Further, all IP agreements I have come across, put a legal requirement on you to disclose any new IP you generate while employed to the employer within the prescribed time-limit even if you think if belongs to you.

[1] In all cases I have come across. IANAL.

Re: How to do a startup in your spare time

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Doing a startup in your spare time is a good way to get fired. It is also a good way to ruin your good idea. Part time startups work only if you are trying to start a "home business" that is very different from you day job. You work at Best Buy, and want to start a new search engine. Great. That is better than quitting you job to start a new search engine. You work at Google and want to start a social network. You ar…

For the vast majority of people, their startups/side projects are vastly diff. than their day job.

>> "Vastly different"

This is not the case to the best of my knowledge.

See details in my older comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6245810

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