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Re: Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome.

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> but not segmenting the market is not one of those; rather, it's a consequence of not selling the software itself. Consequence or not, how can it not be an advantage?

Because market segmentation in itself, as a concept, is not a disadvantage, which means that lack of it is not an advantage in itself. Like I said, market segmentation in software does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. Consider a hypothetical text editor that comes in two editions. The "basic" edition has features like syntax highlighting, regex search and replace, etc. The "advanced" edition has a feature that…

To me, market segmentation is different when it comes to software.

In your text editor example, the author can add an SFTP feature, but once it's coded it's coded. There's no extra cost to ship out all software with that feature after it's coded, except perhaps some extra support costs. (I imagine those would be pretty minimal.) At that point, I only see two reasons to segment the market from the users' perspective:

1) To not confuse your less advanced users with more features. This is a pretty weak reason, IMO. 2) To make sure that the people who actually wanted the feature are the ones paying for it. After the cost of development is paid for, this reason goes away.

Beyond these reasons (unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible), releasing different grades of software just hurts your users. It makes you more money, though, so maybe that's enough justification.

Re: Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome.

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Because market segmentation in itself, as a concept, is not a disadvantage, which means that lack of it is not an advantage in itself. Like I said, market segmentation in software does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. Consider a hypothetical text editor that comes in two editions. The "basic" edition has features like syntax highlighting, regex search and replace, etc. The "advanced" edition has a feature that…

To me, market segmentation is different when it comes to software. In your text editor example, the author can add an SFTP feature, but once it's coded it's coded. There's no extra cost to ship out all software with that feature after it's coded, except perhaps some extra support costs. (I imagine those would be pretty minimal.) At that point, I only see two reasons to segment the market from the users' perspective:…

>There's no extra cost to ship out all software with that feature after it's coded

By this logic, Chipmaker should only sell their most powerful processors, because the actual manufacturing-cost is not really the reason for the price difference between a top of the line i7 processor and a different one with lower specs.

You can look at it from a different angle: Let's say you have a powerful program and you are charging 1000$ for it (e.g. Photoshop). Your market research has shown that a lot of "casual user" are looking for a product like the one you are selling, but are not willing to pay the 1000$. So you develop a version without the more advanced functions and sell it for 200$ (e.g. Photoshop Elements).

It's not really about "not confusing the user", but about offering another option. How does this hurt the consumer?

Re: Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome.

#34

As usual, Jeff mixes different concepts, does some hand-waving and comes to a stunningly weird conclusion. What Microsoft did with artificial memory limitation is ridiculous, unless someone comes up to offer a reasonable technical explanation. However, I find it equally ridiculous to jump from there to a conclusion that open source is better because it does no market segmentation. Let's keep one thing clear, if you'r…

He didn't say that opensource is better; he just said that you always get the best, 100%, full edition of it.

However, this might be not true for dual-licensed software.

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#35

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Because market segmentation in itself, as a concept, is not a disadvantage, which means that lack of it is not an advantage in itself. Like I said, market segmentation in software does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. Consider a hypothetical text editor that comes in two editions. The "basic" edition has features like syntax highlighting, regex search and replace, etc. The "advanced" edition has a feature that…

To me, market segmentation is different when it comes to software. In your text editor example, the author can add an SFTP feature, but once it's coded it's coded. There's no extra cost to ship out all software with that feature after it's coded, except perhaps some extra support costs. (I imagine those would be pretty minimal.) At that point, I only see two reasons to segment the market from the users' perspective:…

I'm not sure how having different editions of the same software hurts users, but maybe I'm just applying a different grade of the same meaning to the word "hurt" ;)

I suppose that the author could let users drive new features by making a list of proposed features and having users donate money towards the implementation of those features. I'm pretty sure I've seen that somewhere. But the segmentation seems to be the easier way.

Going back to the editor example, suppose you have two editors from two different authors; one is cheaper, the other has SFTP feature. The author of the one with the SFTP features put a higher price on the overall development effort than the author of the cheaper one. And he's charging you more than the other author per every copy, even though he coded it only once. Why is this so drastically different from having two editions of the same product from the same author?

To take your logic a step further, why is the author charging money for every copy? Once he coded the whole product, it's done and there are no per-unit shipping or manufacturing costs. The alternative would be to somehow get the money, upfront, that would cover the development costs and net him some fixed profit for it. Who knows, maybe if we could switch to that business model piracy would no longer be an issue. But until then, as long as charging per unit of software is accepted practice, I don't see a difference between two editions of the same product and two products with different features. (And I'm not talking about unscrupulous feature crippling here, that's different)

Re: Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome.

#36
> "Already, I'm confused. Which one of these versions allows me to use all 48 GB of my server's memory? ... Just try to make sense of it all. I dare you. No, I double dog dare you! "

Dare accepted. It's actually right there, 1 click away from the page Jeff linked to: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/compare-spe...

The answer to his question is Enterprise, Datacenter, and HPC.

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Let's just look at the list of Ubuntu editions, since that's comparable directly to Windows or Mac OS X. Ubuntu Kubuntu Edubuntu Xubuntu Lubuntu Fluxbuntu Mythbuntu Ubuntu JeOS Ubuntu MID Ubuntu Netbook Remix Ubuntu Studio

But AFAIK they all cost the same price?

Well, I think the point of the article was not that segmenting made the product more expensive, but rather, you now have to sit down and spend some time carefully deciding which version you need.

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#38

As usual, Jeff mixes different concepts, does some hand-waving and comes to a stunningly weird conclusion. What Microsoft did with artificial memory limitation is ridiculous, unless someone comes up to offer a reasonable technical explanation. However, I find it equally ridiculous to jump from there to a conclusion that open source is better because it does no market segmentation. Let's keep one thing clear, if you'r…

Linux comes in more editions than Windows.

All the same price ($0), but you have to think, which was Jeff's point. And you have to think more than for Windows. It's the blessing+curse of diversity.

Re: Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome.

#39

As usual, Jeff mixes different concepts, does some hand-waving and comes to a stunningly weird conclusion. What Microsoft did with artificial memory limitation is ridiculous, unless someone comes up to offer a reasonable technical explanation. However, I find it equally ridiculous to jump from there to a conclusion that open source is better because it does no market segmentation. Let's keep one thing clear, if you'r…

>What Microsoft did with artificial memory limitation is ridiculous, unless someone comes up to offer a reasonable technical explanation.

There is no technical explanation. It's purely for business reasons. This limitation seems artificial, but it's no different from any other software product that comes in multiple editions:

A software company (e.g. Adobe, IBM, Oracle, Apple, Microsoft) develops a software product; when the product is ready to ship, they call it "[Product Name] Professional Edition". Then the company cripples the product a bit (sometimes by deleting a few lines of code that enable important functionality) and calls that version "Standard Edition". Then they cripple it even more and call that version "Starter Edition".

All they are doing is manipulating bits to give people an incentive to pay top dollar, just as Microsoft did. Giving everyone the full functionality wouldn't cost them any more, since it's all just extra bits, which cost the company $0 to copy (actually, they need to spend millions of dollars building, testing and maintaining these crippled editions, so they would actually save on costs if they didn't cripple the software). I understand that what Microsoft is doing with the 32 GB limitation feels different and ridiculous, but it really isn't.

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And to think, hard drive seek latency has only improved by 2x or 3x.

The Osborne 1 didn't even have an HDD! You think HDs are slow, try 5 1/4" floppies for latency. Anyway, SSDs soon. I will not be sorry to see the back of spinning magnetic media of any stripe.

x3,000,000 for me (ZX81 with 16 K RAM pack - but if I'd stuck with the standard 1K, it would be... x48,000,000).
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