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Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by lelandbatey »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #27
Amadou wrote: post #3

With the 39" Seiki 4K "tv" at less than $500 shipped, the $3,500 pricing level on the Dells seems excessive. I'm certain the Dells are better monitors, but are they 700% better? If Seiki revs their model line-up to include display-port, all these official monitors will really be in trouble. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DOPGO2G

A 4K 39" TV has less resolution than a 4K 24" monitor. Just do the math! This isn't about real estate; it is easy to buy a big monitor, but about pixel density.

Well, a 4k 39" TV still has about a 12% higher pixel density than the 1920x1200 24 inch monitor I'm using right now.

Additionally, you can take that extra size and just sit a little bit further away from it.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by JoshTriplett »

hyperbovine wrote: post #20
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #16

Watch out for problems with the monitor. New ultra-high-def monitors often have problems such as lag or poor color accuracy. Before buying this, you need to wait until a professional with a colorimeter and a lagmeter evaluates this monitor if you remotely care about color accuracy or gaming. Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor.

> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

>> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor.

> Sure it is!

So you'd be fine with a 3840x2160 monitor that has a 5Hz refresh rate? Or one with a 500ms lag time? Or one that only displayed in grayscale, or in 8-bit color?

Resolution is perhaps the most important consideration, but by no means the only one.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lelandbatey wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 4K 39" TV has less resolution than a 4K 24" monitor. Just do the math! This isn't about real estate; it is easy to buy a big monitor, but about pixel density.

Well, a 4k 39" TV still has about a 12% higher pixel density than the 1920x1200 24 inch monitor I'm using right now. Additionally, you can take that extra size and just sit a little bit further away from it.

That isn't going to work in my cubicle, or any kind of coding situation, really.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by mxfh »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #32
hyperbovine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

>> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. > Sure it is! So you'd be fine with a 3840x2160 monitor that has a 5Hz refresh rate? Or one with a 500ms lag time? Or one that only displayed in grayscale, or in 8-bit color? Resolution is perhaps the most important consideration, but by no means the only one.

This would be a valid concern if it still would be 1999. FYI the T220 (3840×2400!) already had 41hz back in 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by derefr »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #32
hyperbovine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

>> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. > Sure it is! So you'd be fine with a 3840x2160 monitor that has a 5Hz refresh rate? Or one with a 500ms lag time? Or one that only displayed in grayscale, or in 8-bit color? Resolution is perhaps the most important consideration, but by no means the only one.

Yes. Actually, I'd be excited about a UHD e-ink display (which is basically what you're describing.) It'd be perfect as a second monitor to throw documents up on to read at my desk, while I kept the primary for more interactive stuff.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by simoncion »

cclogg wrote: post #23
hyperbovine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

I love my new Retina MBP, however the most annoying thing I found was dealing with so many non-retina things that look hideously blurry lol. I don't have a problem with the screen though, but weirdly enough in the last year or so I've had real problems with iPads. Like if I read or use it for even a short while, I get that nauseous headache feeling. Apparently it might have to do with LED screens.

You could also have an issue with your neck or upper back. Try reading a somewhat heavy book in much the same position as you read an iPad.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by simoncion »

jfb wrote: post #29
kevin818 wrote: post #14

most impressive stat to me: 1.07 billion colors my how far we've come from the good ol' days of CRT

Err ... color resolution was never really the problem with CRT technology.

Yeah. I hope that I'll live to see non-CRT consumer displays with actual 5->10 ms response times and real blacks, but I'm not too optimistic.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by shitlord »

mortyseinfeld wrote: post #17
cpks wrote: post #4

Dude. Sweet! If the price is reasonable, I'll buy 2-4 for my desktop. I'd love to have the knock-off cheap dead pixels Korean version even more, actually.

I picked up a couple Korean 27" 1440ps for the desktop for around $300 and loving them. They're even overclockable.

Yeah, Korean monitors are great if you're on a budget. My only complaint is that they are ugly as hell. Every single one I've seen. But hey, you can buy 3 1440p monitors for under a grand!

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by Amadou »

kogir wrote: post #22
Amadou wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(A) Horrible is a vast overstatement. Unless you need calibrated color, it is fine. (2) Being too large is relative, my 30" 2560x1600 quickly became normal sized. For the additional pixels the additional inches of a 39" seems about right. (iii) HDMI at 30Hz is just fine for anything but gaming. I used to have an IBM T221 that also ran at 30Hz and it was no problem at all for text and video. Some people expect there w…

I have an ASUS PQ321Q. Due to lack of support in OS X Mavericks for DP1.2 MST, OS X can only do 30Hz, but Windows on the same hardware can do 60Hz. The difference is staggering. 30Hz is terrible, and the lag when moving the mouse, dragging a window, or scrolling text is perceptible and annoying.

Your monitor's electronics may be doing more processing at 30Hz (like frame-doubling) than at 60Hz thus adding latency that is not inherent in the lower refresh rate.

I used the T221 at 30Hz in a multi-monitor system with the other two monitors at 60Hz. I could drag a window so it straddled the 30Hz monitor and a 60Hz monitor. The DPI was severely mismatched so it wasn't very useful to straddle like that, but movement across the monitors was not obnoxious, not terribly fluid, but not annoying either.

I'm sure different people have different tolerances for latency, but I tend to think my tolerance is pretty low.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Post by veidr »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #16

Watch out for problems with the monitor. New ultra-high-def monitors often have problems such as lag or poor color accuracy. Before buying this, you need to wait until a professional with a colorimeter and a lagmeter evaluates this monitor if you remotely care about color accuracy or gaming. Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor.

True, but resolution so massively outweighs every other consideration (for me) that it might as well be the only.

In this new high-res world, virtually all desktop monitors are just broken. Ugh, I am typing these very words right now on a 30" Dell 3008FWP, and I want to gouge out my eyes...

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