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Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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This kind of case is fascinating. The woman wasn't evil. But her actions really are. It's very easy, too easy, to say that she is evil because what she did was so bad. But that's lazy, and it misses the interesting stuff. How do people get caught up in performing such horrendous acts? There's a bunch of cognitive stuff going on, and some subtle manipulation. I suspect that something similar is how we end up with app…

Definitely. I was thinking about that too.

In the same way that you can build a reliable system from unreliable components through clever system design, I think you can build an evil system from good but limited people.

I think a lot about the housing bubble, the popping of which has had a terrible human cost. There may be nobody on earth who is willing to say, "Yes, I helped make that happen." But there are an awful lot of borrowers, mortgage brokers, bankers, executives, and investors who are very sure that it wasn't their fault. After all, they were just doing their job or obeying the incentives.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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Are we seriously up in arms about the chemist? The prosecutors are the worse filth here. And the worst thing about it is that the DA and the prosecutors are going to bury her into the ground, and villify her, while they get away totally scott-free. The system just keeps on churning..

   “Any help would be greatly appreciated!” he wrote, 
    punctuating each sentence with a long string of 
    exclamation     points. “Thank you!”

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

#33
The chemist involved was believed to have tainted over 40,000 cases over the duration of about 10 years and they'll only get 3 to 5 years? Seriously? Weev who was involved in the arguable AT&T data breach got a 41 month jail term, people who've been caught selling counterfeit DVD's have been given similar sentences.

Dookhan should serve the sentences that she was responsible for, every single case. If anything, I think the death penalty is fair. Imagine all of the lives she ruined. all of the families and children who grew up thinking their dad, mother, grandparent or relative were convicted criminals. Not to mention the trouble convicted inmates have when they get out adjusting to reality and getting a job, credit, etc.

What about the main prosecutor involved here? Is he going to be subjected to a court case as well? Or will the system prove itself reliable once again and the chemist will be vilified and blamed.

This is appalling.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

#34

The chemist involved was believed to have tainted over 40,000 cases over the duration of about 10 years and they'll only get 3 to 5 years? Seriously? Weev who was involved in the arguable AT&T data breach got a 41 month jail term, people who've been caught selling counterfeit DVD's have been given similar sentences. Dookhan should serve the sentences that she was responsible for, every single case. If anything, I thi…

Why is your focus on the chemist despite the fact that she was basically bribed? This is a conspiracy and the prosecutors and DA should be investigated. But of course, they're going to be the ones bearing the case against her, and taking the spotlight off themselves. And the only ones who will correctly investigate the DA/prosecutors would be the FBI, I really doubt anything is really going to be done here that will be substantial other than a political panzy-dance.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I think this is a situation where the death penalty is entirely appropriate. I don't like the idea of more suffering when there is already plenty to go around here, but I can't see how you can call it "justice" if she is allowed to live. An example must be set that this kind of thing is so repugnant to civilized societies that it WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. EDIT: The scale of her crimes is thousands of person-yea…

For someone supposedly concerned about human life, you seem awfully eager to end one.

Your argument is one of semantics. He is a defender of those who have not deprived others of their right to life. This is the reason why both the word murder and the word kill exist. There is a fundamental difference that you don't appreciate.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I think this is a situation where the death penalty is entirely appropriate. I don't like the idea of more suffering when there is already plenty to go around here, but I can't see how you can call it "justice" if she is allowed to live. An example must be set that this kind of thing is so repugnant to civilized societies that it WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. EDIT: The scale of her crimes is thousands of person-yea…

For someone supposedly concerned about human life, you seem awfully eager to end one.

Superficially I have to agree with you that I look like a hypocrite.

The government is the body which has a monopoly on violence. In other words, they're the only people who can legally do things to people that nobody would volunteer to have done to them, like going to prison. It's the government's job to provide courts through which disputes can be resolved, since you aren't supposed to take matters into your own hands. One class of those disputes is the government vs citizens who have violated the government's rules or the laws.

When those kinds of cases are going through the courts the government should be extra careful to be impartial because everyone can tell that it's potentially a situation ripe for corruption. The government is adjudicating a case between the government (the DA or prosecutor) and someone not in the government ("normal people").

Given the choice you wouldn't choose your wife's parents to settle a dispute between you and your wife; but this can be a very real fear when being prosecuted.

The problem here is even though you can name the different parts of the government and call them separate (courts, prosecutor, forensics, etc) ultimately we find out that forensics and the prosecutor are both "on the same team" and that when the courts get involved again to try and fix the mess, that the forensics person is still "on the same team" as the prosecutors and maybe everyone else.

If you're in the class of people called "the government" you have to be extra right, extra careful, and extra following-the-rules so that ordinary people get a fair shake when dealing with an entity that has virtually limitless funds to prosecute versus their usually meager funds to defend (unless you're in the top 1% to 0.1% or so, then it's just "lots more" rather than "infinitely more").

Here's a case where not only was the forensics person not extra careful, right and proper, not even sloppy and foolish but malicious. And not just a little bit either, she didn't tamper with one case that involved a cheating ex or something. She did it systematically over thousands of cases depriving people of their liberty wrongly. You could build a strong case that she perverted justice in a very horrific manner.

If you add up all the person-years of people's lives that she conspired to help imprison and divide by 100 year in a life (round numbers) you'd get to the point where she's effectively "taken" tens if not hundreds of lives. That makes her in a roundabout way something akin to a very impressive mass murderer. In that case I'm not sure that the death penalty is an over-reactionary knee-jerk kind of punishment.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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post #31
post #23

This kind of case is fascinating. The woman wasn't evil. But her actions really are. It's very easy, too easy, to say that she is evil because what she did was so bad. But that's lazy, and it misses the interesting stuff. How do people get caught up in performing such horrendous acts? There's a bunch of cognitive stuff going on, and some subtle manipulation. I suspect that something similar is how we end up with app…

Definitely. I was thinking about that too. In the same way that you can build a reliable system from unreliable components through clever system design, I think you can build an evil system from good but limited people. I think a lot about the housing bubble, the popping of which has had a terrible human cost. There may be nobody on earth who is willing to say, "Yes, I helped make that happen." But there are an awful…

Go check Robert Sheckley's Ticket to Tranai - it had the opposite - utopia created on the basis the human nature is flawed and some creative design. Fun read.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

#39

3-5 years?! THREE TO FIVE YEARS???!!! There are no words. Agents of the law need to be held more accountable for their actions than your average citizen, not less. This is disgusting.

The simplistic view would be that every unjust sentence served by someone else as a result of her tampering should transfer to her.

Re: Government Chemist Tampered With 40,000 Cases

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edit: Goes to prove that a _GOOD_ defense lawyer would have dig that up during cross exam. (if that is a thing) sure, the defense lawyer can ask questions, but what series of questions do you think they could've asked that would've done anything here? they would've needed to perform pre-trial investigations of the lady (such as the state police performed) to discover this. which isn't out of the question, but isn't…

Hmm not sure, but well, wouldn't a simple question of "where did your degree in chemistry come from" while the person in question is under OAuth? EDIT: Oath. I've been working too much recently.

Don't worry OAuth made sense to me in this context somehow..
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