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Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

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Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

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Had no idea this was even underway.

Here are some very informative articles about ISRO MOM, by Emily Lakdawalla of The Planetary Society:

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/congrat...

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/1122094...

Second link nicely explains the differences between NASA MAVEN and ISRO MOM trajectories.

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#32

That's so awesome! They need a better web designer for their site though. That brown background is just horrible.

I'm Indian, and would like to start a gallery of "ghastly Indian government websites". If you want to gaze in horrified fascination at the train wreck of execrable blink tags, long scrolling marquees, and millions of unintelligible categories, go look at:

Delhi Govt.: http://delhi.gov.in/

BSNL (a leading public sector telco): http://www.bsnl.co.in/

Bhabha Atomic Research Centre: http://barcrecruit.gov.in/

Nehru Science Centre: http://www.nehrusciencecentre.gov.in/

Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research: http://www.igcar.ernet.in/

This being said, I feel pretty good about the fact that ISRO and others' ramshackle websites don't seem to be too indicative of their technical prowess, though they are undoubtedly embarrassing.

[Possibly jingoistic downvoters -- do you actually think these websites are decent, or even half-decent? Be honest.]

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#33

That's so awesome! They need a better web designer for their site though. That brown background is just horrible.

That's unlikely to happen soon. Five years back, on behalf of my company, I went to make a technical presentation on how a CMS could benefit in maintaining the website for one of their centers. To my shock, they wanted the CMS to write to a Compact Disc and the CD would then be inserted on the server for copying the content. All of that to manage security risks.

That said, I am amazed they now maintain a neat Facebook Page and live stream launches

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#35

Before someone makes the inevitable "Why are they spending money on this instead of fixing poverty?" argument: The whole Mars mission costs about as much as making four Bollywood movies. http://www.firstpost.com/india/ten-price-tags-to-put-isro-ma...

Worth mentioning: if you would have lived in India, hearing the same story about USA NASA Mars rover landing, you would have said: "Why are they spending time on this instead of fixing 14 trillion dollar debt?" Just a matter of point of view.

Why would they care about US government debt? Nothing about government debt is detrimental to the human condition.

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#36

Before someone makes the inevitable "Why are they spending money on this instead of fixing poverty?" argument: The whole Mars mission costs about as much as making four Bollywood movies. http://www.firstpost.com/india/ten-price-tags-to-put-isro-ma...

Worth mentioning: if you would have lived in India, hearing the same story about USA NASA Mars rover landing, you would have said: "Why are they spending time on this instead of fixing 14 trillion dollar debt?" Just a matter of point of view.

For those pedantic fools focusing on the "debt" part of your comment, replace that with poverty, NSA spying, unemployment, education, or any other perceived problem. The specific problem isn't the point.

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

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post #34

unrelated comment triggered by looking at the link, why are Indian websites at large so crappy and appear to be from 1990s? Just like with the insane lawless vehicle traffic, people have become used to crappy websites in India.

1. Ignorance of the administrators - the programmers in the institutes, if any, have to listen to the design ideas of the administrators even when the programmers are more competent and up-to-date. The administrators may be competent in their own areas, but they have to be listened to at all costs.

2. The programmers in these institutes are often sidelined, and their work is seen as inessential. So, many of them lack motivation to update their skills. Regular "refresher courses" to update skill-sets are hardly ever funded.

3. There are a lot of restrictions to government companies outsourcing work to private companies - in general it is very difficult for government companies' funds to flow to private companies - for example, all govt. employees have to fly Air India, even when other airline tickets are cheaper. In things like website development, this means that it is hard (not impossible) to subcontract the work to a non-government agency. Also, the private subcontractors who do get the projects leave after 3 years or so, since there is no maintenance contract built-in. The maintenance contractors who come in later have no idea what the existing code base is.

Overall, I think this is a system designed to minimize corruption. Please see a related analysis on the healthcare.gov debacle - "Furthermore, many of the procurement policies that make access to services like AWS difficult have been put in place to prevent corrupt or unjust spending of taxpayers’ money. Unfortunately many of these policies have become so complicated that the issues get obfuscated, they repel innovative and cost effective solutions, and ultimately fail to achieve their original intent. " [1]

The policy does a bad job at preventing corruption, anyway. But especially in the case of a fast-changing technology like web development, it is a ridiculous hurdle. (No, I am not a programmer, just an exasperated government employee in India, who is aghast that so much of talent in the country is not allowed to be used just because of ill-made legislation. I am not a fan of vigilante activism either - they have no idea of the kind of policy fetters that people have to deal with in government.)

[1] http://www.civicagency.org/2013/10/learning-from-the-healthc...

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#38

That's so awesome! They need a better web designer for their site though. That brown background is just horrible.

I'm Indian, and would like to start a gallery of "ghastly Indian government websites". If you want to gaze in horrified fascination at the train wreck of execrable blink tags, long scrolling marquees, and millions of unintelligible categories, go look at: Delhi Govt.: http://delhi.gov.in/ BSNL (a leading public sector telco): http://www.bsnl.co.in/ Bhabha Atomic Research Centre: http://barcrecruit.gov.in/ Nehru Scien…

Government website in India are terrible. Most are built by NIC (National Informatics Center). That works just like an employment scheme with lots of entry-level employees.

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

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post #7

Had no idea this was even underway.

Me neither. I vaguely defend myself by noting that HN seems to be fairly US-centric, and since I live in the US, I tend to hear more about things like SpaceX launches (watched the two aborted ones this week) than I do about the Indian, Chinese or Japanese space programs.

It was on HN front page when the orbiter was launched.

Re: Mangalyaan, India's Mars Orbiter, has successfully commenced its journey to Mars

#40

Before someone makes the inevitable "Why are they spending money on this instead of fixing poverty?" argument: The whole Mars mission costs about as much as making four Bollywood movies. http://www.firstpost.com/india/ten-price-tags-to-put-isro-ma...

Its a question of competing with the other regional power - China; The two aren't exactly friends; At least that's what the papers say: http://www.economist.com/node/16846256
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