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Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by mbq » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 3:06 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #13

> Many skeptics were left unconvinced. But the customer that the E-Cat was being tested for—which Wired UK says was rumored to be the US military's DARPA—was satisfied, and purchased the unit. This doesn't mean that DARPA is not a sceptic. It means the unit has passed the simplest test of "not a cardboard box covered in tin foil with a guy going 'Beep Boop' next to it". Now DARPA can buy a single unit and tear it apa…

Even if DARPA knows that E-cat is bullshit, an act of buying an unit is an easy deception possibly diluting nuclear research resources of certain countries.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by skorgu » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 3:37 PM UTC

There's got to be a prediction market somewhere I can bet against this thing.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by lafar6502 » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 4:43 PM UTC

detro wrote: post #26

I'm reading this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/20/finally-ind...

How long will this keep returning? Of course the device works, with a minor glitch: it heats the water with same efficiency as any electric water heater. Because it's an electric boiler with some mumbojumbo attached. I doubt, however, that any person foolish enough to spend $1.5M on that will ever admit being fooled.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by mrb » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 5:06 PM UTC

ye wrote: post #19

mrb wrote: post #4

FWIW, I did my own research about 2 years ago on this mysterious e-cat device, and I found out there is a surprisingly rich history of unexplained effects in nickel-hydrogen systems: heat that cannot be explained by theory. I am almost convinced Rossi and the few other (competing) scientists who are studying this effect are onto something HUGE. See my post: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=61 Unfortunately the scientific c…

Scientific community would love to test his claims, except he didn't (or couldn't) tell exactly how it works. I understand that if he actually discovered something that HUGE, he wouldn't want to tell anybody, I know I wouldn't. But please, don't blame it on "scientific community", that's what conspiracy theorists morons say.

Rossi refuses to divulge many details, but other scientists give all information necessary to reproduce, see Piantelli's research for example.

At this point the blame fully lies on the scientific community for ignoring these.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by Ygg2 » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 6:28 PM UTC

mnw21cam wrote: post #24

Ygg2 wrote: post #7

How much does this reactor cost? Can't someone buy and review it, test if it works, etc.?

I could mention something about feeding the trolls here...

Maybe, those that skim the article, but definitely not trolling. I just don't get excitement/anger around ECat.

NDA however explains why there is no test.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 6:49 PM UTC

Ygg2 wrote: post #35

mnw21cam wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could mention something about feeding the trolls here...

Maybe, those that skim the article, but definitely not trolling. I just don't get excitement/anger around ECat. NDA however explains why there is no test.

You misunderstand. Rossi is the troll. Buying the device encourages him.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by gabrielblack » Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 8:11 PM UTC

Andrea Rossi is a scammer. You can search the full story of his previous scam on Google ( searching Petroldragon ). It should, however, spend a few more words to talk about his academic qualifications: Andrea Rossi graduated in PHILOSOPHY and has also acquired a fake degree in chemical engineering from the "Kensington University," a university-scam that was closed by court order years ago. In this fake university has "graduated" even Kim Il-Sung from North Korea ... :-)

http://news.newenergytimes.net/2012/01/11/rossi-engineering-...

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by ye » Fri, Nov 29, 2013, 2:12 AM UTC

mrb wrote: post #34

ye wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scientific community would love to test his claims, except he didn't (or couldn't) tell exactly how it works. I understand that if he actually discovered something that HUGE, he wouldn't want to tell anybody, I know I wouldn't. But please, don't blame it on "scientific community", that's what conspiracy theorists morons say.

Rossi refuses to divulge many details, but other scientists give all information necessary to reproduce, see Piantelli's research for example. At this point the blame fully lies on the scientific community for ignoring these.

Two groups tried to reproduce Piantelli's "discovery" and couldn't.

I still blame the conspiracy morons.

If you can reproduce it, why not revolutionize energy market and make billions? Let's hear your made up reasons why you can't.

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by mrb » Fri, Nov 29, 2013, 8:24 AM UTC

ye wrote: post #38

mrb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rossi refuses to divulge many details, but other scientists give all information necessary to reproduce, see Piantelli's research for example. At this point the blame fully lies on the scientific community for ignoring these.

Two groups tried to reproduce Piantelli's "discovery" and couldn't. I still blame the conspiracy morons. If you can reproduce it, why not revolutionize energy market and make billions? Let's hear your made up reasons why you can't.

Your attitude (aggressive tone, insults) is precisely why research is not advancing as fast as it could! You are part of the problem, not researchers who desperately work on reproducing the effect and who try to have their results taken seriously.

Also, I meant Celani, not Piantelli (sorry!). He has published a lot of information in the last 18 months, you should check it out, see:

- http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/Poster/Grimshaw.pd...

- http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/celani-demonstrates-excess...

- http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Francesco_Celani's_LE...

Re: Preorder your very own cold fusion reactor

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Post by gabrielblack » Sun, Dec 01, 2013, 8:01 AM UTC

gabrielblack wrote: post #37

Andrea Rossi is a scammer. You can search the full story of his previous scam on Google ( searching Petroldragon ). It should, however, spend a few more words to talk about his academic qualifications: Andrea Rossi graduated in PHILOSOPHY and has also acquired a fake degree in chemical engineering from the "Kensington University," a university-scam that was closed by court order years ago. In this fake university has…

An interesting article that appeared in Forbes two days ago:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/29/why-im-ce...