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What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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I'm just going to echo what everyone else is saying: Contract. Contract. Contract. A contract isn't some scary legal document full of cryptic legalese. It's a clear description of what services will be provided and what the compensation will be. And on what schedule everything will happen. With details about what happens if things go south. Most client problems are not as cut-and-dry as "he took all of my work and is…

"Use contracts."

First, to state the obvious which anyone who has been around for some time will tell you a contract is only good if the dollar amount is enough to get a lawyer involved as far as filing and pursuing any legal action. Otherwise good luck with trying to convert a contract into actual dollars because you are right.

Anyway, for the purpose of what you are saying it doesn't have to be a "formal" contract but merely an email trail will suffice to make your point and get the other party (if honorable) to pay. In the past I've even used notes of verbal conversations which I've repeated back the sequence of events to the satisfaction of the other side. (Once again totally depends on who the other side is and their motives.)

Now if they are not honorable, don't have the money, or just want to play games, then if you have enough at stake to hire an attorney a formal contract is a benefit (but not essential since the "trier of fact" as well as the other side will weigh their chance of settling vs. fighting). Consequently, yes, documentation is key but it's more a balance of power rather than the formality of the document).

Unfortunately the article completely ignores the practical aspects of going after someone who owes you money despite what any contract says. As if the law is enough to make the right thing happen. It's not.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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Just throwing this out there since I know the common wisdom is to "have a contract, duh". I have a few clients who basically put me on a retainer, then I send them a bill. If you give an hourly rate + an estimate clients seem to be cool, provided they are actual businessses. The only clients I've ever had issues with are individuals (usually artists since I freelance electronic media) and that stems from budget / ram…

I probably have accounts/services in their name that they can't alter/operate without my help, so they're really just shooting themselves in the foot & will likely come to realize this rather quickly.

Just as a counterpoint to this, it's possible for a client to not pay you for services rendered and sue you for not maintaining previous accounts/services for them, and the courts might very well take their side, depending on the specifics. Whether there is a written contract or not, there is a contract when you agree to exchange services for money; the only difference is that if it's not written and a conflict arises, you're depending on the court system to guess what the agreement was based on the word of two opposing parties.

I understand what you're saying though; realistically a lot of work gets done all over the world every day without written contracts, and everyone is okay. My general rule of thumb is to never extend more than a few thousand dollars of credit to any client without a written contract, and less if the job could involve any sort of extra liabilities. For a retainer-style agreement like the one you describe, I like to have a contract in place from the get-go, but with the "terms of notice" set so that things like email count--that way, if we ever negotiate for a specific project I can do it over email and count that as a written record of our agreement should the need ever arise.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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"Federal courts now routinely accept an individual’s electronic “click” or “tap” within an electronic transfer of copyright document as a valid “electronic signature” fulfilling the signature requirements of the Copyright Act of 1976."

See things like this are dangerous. To the uninformed the above looks so simple. "Federal courts now accept" (and the rest of this article) totally ignore the cost and practicality of bringing any legal action. And guess what? The other side, when they are trying to screw you, is aware of that and will use it against you.

Back in the late 90's we had the opposite thing happen. Paid $6500 +- for a freelancer (related to a well know internet celebrity at the time) to write some software (total cost maybe 20k iirc.) Time dragged on and on and they were not able to deliver.

You know what? We just walked away from the money. What to do? Sue someone in another state over $6500?

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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I'm no lawyer but wouldn't email communication at the very least be used as evidence, if not an "informal contract". The scope of the work had to be defined somewhere. Obviously this falls apart if this was all done via verbal communication but its always a good idea to have this in some form you can store for safe keeping. Even recorded phone conversations count.

A purposeful contract makes sense in every situation but if you have clear documentation without one, you should be pretty well off when a problem arises.

The notion of hourly work is something I try to divorce from my thoughts. Yes I do base what I do on some hourly metric but the complexity has to matter to some degree. Generally more complex = way more hours but that's not always the case. Most of my problems in this area come from uncovering a hornets nest when something just seems simple enough on the surface.

I like to think of it this way. Office is still $x per seat. I may have figured out 98% of a domain but I should charge the last customer the work it took to get to that point from customer #1. I may have to do much less work if I've done my job right but there's no telling exactly what of that they'll want to unravel in the process. Unlike Office I don't have a bankroll for r&d I can charge a premium for to recoup my losses over clients. Clients need to assume that just because they want what someone else has its never what they paid - the hours it takes to just tweak it for them.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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Recently, I've been using contracts that do not transfer copyright. We grant them unlimited license to our copyrighted content. We also signed an NDA, preventing us from relicensing the codebase to a competitor. We haven't done anything to take advantage of keeping the copyright yet, but I like keeping the rights for ourselves. I imagine of anything it would make it easy for is to open source code that doesn't tie in…

I'd love to hear more details about this. Is this something you came up with yourself, or did you write it with an IP attorney? Would you be willing to share your template agreement somewhere? Has this been a tough sell to any of your clients? Does your agreement include language which either defines what's proprietary or specifies how to define what's proprietary and therefore subject to the NDA?

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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If you don't use a contract you're asking for trouble. Be like James Bond in The World Is Not Enough- don't hesitate in jumping into bed with Elektra King (the client), but don't overlook the possibility that she's been brainwashed by an evil sociopathic genius.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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post #23

Just throwing this out there since I know the common wisdom is to "have a contract, duh". I have a few clients who basically put me on a retainer, then I send them a bill. If you give an hourly rate + an estimate clients seem to be cool, provided they are actual businessses. The only clients I've ever had issues with are individuals (usually artists since I freelance electronic media) and that stems from budget / ram…

I probably have accounts/services in their name that they can't alter/operate without my help, so they're really just shooting themselves in the foot & will likely come to realize this rather quickly. Just as a counterpoint to this, it's possible for a client to not pay you for services rendered and sue you for not maintaining previous accounts/services for them, and the courts might very well take their side, depend…

Yeah it's not like I'd use a threat like "I'll disconnect all your accounts!" but if they have some EC2 instance they don't understand how to operate it does give you some leverage since they will be needing some admin done at some point in the near future. I really doubt they can sue you for refusing to perform maintenance on their systems since we as programmers do not become indentured servants simply from having done business with them in the past. Tons of high-end engineers leave big projects all the time with the attitude of "well, you should've realized I might not be around forever" and it hurts projects but that's capitalism, it's one of the few rights that give employees an edge in the market.

If we never had an agreement for me to document all my work (extremely common) then the best they can do is say "hand over the keys" but they can't make you drive. If they're willing to invest in a new engineer's learning curve, the problems must be way deeper than 1 bill & you should've seen it coming, enough to write out a formal contract for that last bit. In hostile workplaces contracts should be the norm, sure, but I just try to avoid those situations to begin with.

Good advice on the email bit, but I kindof just assume that those count as written records. Either courts acknowledge them or they don't I'm not sure that explicitly saying they do really changes much.

Also, you say "there is a contract when you agree to exchange services for money" but if they don't pay you... didn't they already break that contract? Why would you have to do due diligence (maintenance) for someone who refuses to acknowledge your initial agreement?

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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I'm just going to echo what everyone else is saying: Contract. Contract. Contract. A contract isn't some scary legal document full of cryptic legalese. It's a clear description of what services will be provided and what the compensation will be. And on what schedule everything will happen. With details about what happens if things go south. Most client problems are not as cut-and-dry as "he took all of my work and is…

"Use contracts." First, to state the obvious which anyone who has been around for some time will tell you a contract is only good if the dollar amount is enough to get a lawyer involved as far as filing and pursuing any legal action. Otherwise good luck with trying to convert a contract into actual dollars because you are right. Anyway, for the purpose of what you are saying it doesn't have to be a "formal" contract…

You're not wrong, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't make a point.

> but merely an email trail will suffice to make your point and get the other party (if honorable) to pay.

This is true if and when you are expressive in your emails. As soon as a new feature is added to the scope, it is imperative that you speak out and say "Well, this is out of scope, but we can likely accommodate by adjusting the scope ".

Far too often I see freelancers just take on the work without mentioning it's a scope change, only to have to fight for the bill to be paid later.

In fact, most of the people I see complaining about customers not paying are due to a failure of setting appropriate expectations. If timelines are changing as a result of your efforts, notify the customer. If they're changing as a result of the customer's actions, notify the customer. If the scope is changing for any reason, notify the customer.

Do not expect to be able to submit a bill at the end of the day and have it be paid -- in companies of a sufficient size, the person paying the bills is not the same person you're dealing with on scope, and the person paying the bills is likely being paid, in part, to ensure that they aren't being over billed. Where that's the case, they'll examine the contract line by line and compare it to the invoice, and pity to whomever meets someone good at that job.

They're not trying to screw you over, they're just trying to make sure taht they're not getting ripped off, and changing how you bill the customer without notifying the customer of a change, looks very much like ripping them off (even if it isn't.)

Use contracts. Use email. Speak plainly.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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post #31
post #11

I'm just going to echo what everyone else is saying: Contract. Contract. Contract. A contract isn't some scary legal document full of cryptic legalese. It's a clear description of what services will be provided and what the compensation will be. And on what schedule everything will happen. With details about what happens if things go south. Most client problems are not as cut-and-dry as "he took all of my work and is…

"Use contracts." First, to state the obvious which anyone who has been around for some time will tell you a contract is only good if the dollar amount is enough to get a lawyer involved as far as filing and pursuing any legal action. Otherwise good luck with trying to convert a contract into actual dollars because you are right. Anyway, for the purpose of what you are saying it doesn't have to be a "formal" contract…

Contracts are such a basic fact of business life, universally understood by good-faith vendors and customers, that recalcitrance about signing one should be taken as a "run don't walk" signal. By working without a contract, you doubly imperil yourself: you lose significant legal protections, and also select a client base that is particularly likely to cause you problems down the road.

Matasano has many clients we've maintained since the formation of the company in 2005, and many more where our counterparts in those companies are friends. The idea of doing business with any of them sans contract is unthinkable. It just doesn't happen.

Working without a contract is unprofessional. Don't do it.

Re: What Happens When a Freelancer Does Work for a Client Without a Contract

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Question for other freelancers: how do you handle changes in a spec? I've been nervous about this lately because I'm doing freelance work and the contract outlined a spec that we've now deviated from greatly. I'm not incredibly worried because we do bi-weekly billing but do you regularly ask clients to revise contracts if the spec changes? And when you begin a contract, what level of specificity in a spec is a good i…

There are two different functional components of a contract; the "terms" and the "statement of work" (SOW). They're often combined in a single "standard contractor agreement" with a fill-in-the-blanks "SOW exhibit", but just as often you have a distinct master agreement with terms and a SOW for each project.

The SOW is responsible for laying out what work you're going to do. If a changing spec is a project risk, a typical consultant response to that would be to build some of the spec language into the SOW, so that if the spec changes in a way that materially harms your ability to complete the project, you have recourse with the client.

The typical best case scenario for spec slips on projects is a client that extends the contract to account for them, and a somewhat rigorous SOW is a good tool for making that happen.

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