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List of Countries by Incarceration Rate

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#31

Certainly looks like a biased list. Look at the bottom of the list and most of them are from Africa where you'd know the crime rates are high. May be, they are not 'punishable offenses' or they get let-off easily.

a lot of those countries practice immediate punishment in the form of bodily harm.

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about crime, it's specifically about incarceration. The US locks people up for a very long time for very minor crimes (particularly if they're black). There's an industry that requires a steady stream of inmates, and they bribe politicians and judges to provide those inmates. The true crime doesn't come from the inmates, it comes from the people locking them up.

Look, I mean... the US justice system has obvious problems. Too many people going to prison, a racial bias, lack of rehabilitation... whatever. You'd be a fool to deny that. But is this really down to some kind of prison-industrial complex that "bribe[s] politicians and judges to provide inmates"? That seems a little far-fetched. Let's use Hanlon's razor here - isn't it far more likely that the US incarceration rate…

It definitely happens. I can only think of one concrete case off the top of my head, so here:

>The "kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of inmates in the detention centers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

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#34

What's up in Greenland? It has such a small population that I doubt it's a hub of crime. Maybe Greenlanders live in poverty?

They are still in a post colonialism desert walk. They were simply dragged to fast from a traditional hunter gatherer society into the modern industrial age. Denmark kidnapped their children, banned their language, built concrete blocks from them to live in, which were unsuited for their traditional lifestyle, and gave them alcohol to drink. Pretty much the same story as what happened with most aborigines and natives in other colonies.

So of course things got bad. Lots of social issues. It is improving, more and more young people are getting an education, but they have a lot of social issues to deal with yet.

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#35
This isn't useful unless you can also compare the crime rates in those countries (does high incarceration reduce crime?) as well as the percentage of drug offenses and the ease of drug import into those countries. I'd also like to see the execution rate for some or these countries. A prisoner is not incarcerated if they're dead.

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I wonder why the rate is so high in Seychelles.

The only reason I know of the country is because it is used for evading tax in EU, and because I got a job-offer from a company that operates there, but I am a bit surprised of the high number.

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post #34

What's up in Greenland? It has such a small population that I doubt it's a hub of crime. Maybe Greenlanders live in poverty?

They are still in a post colonialism desert walk. They were simply dragged to fast from a traditional hunter gatherer society into the modern industrial age. Denmark kidnapped their children, banned their language, built concrete blocks from them to live in, which were unsuited for their traditional lifestyle, and gave them alcohol to drink. Pretty much the same story as what happened with most aborigines and natives…

I suppose I should have expected as much. :(

Well, I hope things will improve.

Re: List of Countries by Incarceration Rate

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about crime, it's specifically about incarceration. The US locks people up for a very long time for very minor crimes (particularly if they're black). There's an industry that requires a steady stream of inmates, and they bribe politicians and judges to provide those inmates. The true crime doesn't come from the inmates, it comes from the people locking them up.

Look, I mean... the US justice system has obvious problems. Too many people going to prison, a racial bias, lack of rehabilitation... whatever. You'd be a fool to deny that. But is this really down to some kind of prison-industrial complex that "bribe[s] politicians and judges to provide inmates"? That seems a little far-fetched. Let's use Hanlon's razor here - isn't it far more likely that the US incarceration rate…

It's probably both factors added on top of each other. There are other countries where politicians want to appear tough on crime, yet they don't come close to the US in incarcerations.

And the bribery definitely happens. As someone else pointed out already, a juvenile prison bribed judges to convict more kids. But I've also read about a state (Arkansas?) that has a contract with a new privatized prison to provide a guaranteed number of inmates for some time into the future. And you can bet they lobby for tougher sentences too.

Tough on crime can lead to terribly injustice, but for-profit prisons are guaranteed to lead to terrible injustice.

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