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Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by alukima »

brd wrote: post #18

I don't get the argument here. Look at a fashion magazine geared towards women, what do you think the ads look like in those magazines? Marketing copy with attractive people tends to convert better than marketing copy with unattractive people. Are we just supposed to sabotage our own marketing material in order to... what exactly? If sex sells its not because IT is a male dominated industry, its because sex sells to…

I don't agree with or even like this article, but mockups aren't being sold to the public at large.

If a designer sends me a mockup with sexualized images I am going to be annoyed because it's not professional and I prefer to see what the project might actually look like live.

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by lowboy »

fleitz wrote: post #26
brd wrote: post #18

I don't get the argument here. Look at a fashion magazine geared towards women, what do you think the ads look like in those magazines? Marketing copy with attractive people tends to convert better than marketing copy with unattractive people. Are we just supposed to sabotage our own marketing material in order to... what exactly? If sex sells its not because IT is a male dominated industry, its because sex sells to…

What's unethical about using sex to sell? Our society is really fucked up and repressed about sex. I'm really glad there's a man around to tell my partner that if she wears bathing suits to the beach and a man sees her backside that she's a victim instead of advocating she wear whatever the fuck she wants (including nothing) to the beach. When my partner and I go to the beach we have to travel an extra 15 minutes bec…

I agree with the second part.

I think this example is unethical because of the standards it creates for women. It makes women think that their primary role is for sex, which is shitty.

I don't like the standards placed on men either, like how we're supposed to be emotionless, or the current trend of "idiot men" in commercials.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment_300/327_top_10_li...

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by [deleted] »

alukima wrote: post #31
brd wrote: post #18

I don't get the argument here. Look at a fashion magazine geared towards women, what do you think the ads look like in those magazines? Marketing copy with attractive people tends to convert better than marketing copy with unattractive people. Are we just supposed to sabotage our own marketing material in order to... what exactly? If sex sells its not because IT is a male dominated industry, its because sex sells to…

I don't agree with or even like this article, but mockups aren't being sold to the public at large. If a designer sends me a mockup with sexualized images I am going to be annoyed because it's not professional and I prefer to see what the project might actually look like live.

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Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

#34

Post by russelluresti »

eridius wrote: post #17
moocowduckquack wrote: post #9

I can’t stand this video. Watching toned men parade around with their junk sticking out makes me feel very uncomfortable. Obviously the author is not a fan of men in glittery pants, but I suspect that the video may not make quite the point intended.

My first thought was the author didn't understand the point of the video, but reading the next paragraph showed that he absolutely did. He's saying he was extremely uncomfortable watching the video, but this is what women have to deal with all the time . As uncomfortable as that video makes him, the original Robin Thicke video is just as bad for women (editorializing here: it's probably worse for women, because of th…

Can you explain why men should feel uncomfortable with that video?

I'm a man, and I watched it, and felt zero feelings of discomfort about toned men in revealing underwear and junk. If anything, the absurdity of it all was pretty entertaining.

So what, exactly, should men feel uncomfortable about here?

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by [deleted] »

russelluresti wrote: post #34
eridius wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first thought was the author didn't understand the point of the video, but reading the next paragraph showed that he absolutely did. He's saying he was extremely uncomfortable watching the video, but this is what women have to deal with all the time . As uncomfortable as that video makes him, the original Robin Thicke video is just as bad for women (editorializing here: it's probably worse for women, because of th…

Can you explain why men should feel uncomfortable with that video? I'm a man, and I watched it, and felt zero feelings of discomfort about toned men in revealing underwear and junk. If anything, the absurdity of it all was pretty entertaining. So what, exactly, should men feel uncomfortable about here?

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Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by alukima »

russelluresti wrote: post #34
eridius wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first thought was the author didn't understand the point of the video, but reading the next paragraph showed that he absolutely did. He's saying he was extremely uncomfortable watching the video, but this is what women have to deal with all the time . As uncomfortable as that video makes him, the original Robin Thicke video is just as bad for women (editorializing here: it's probably worse for women, because of th…

Can you explain why men should feel uncomfortable with that video? I'm a man, and I watched it, and felt zero feelings of discomfort about toned men in revealing underwear and junk. If anything, the absurdity of it all was pretty entertaining. So what, exactly, should men feel uncomfortable about here?

If it could be explained the world would be a far better place.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. So we have to rely on empathy when we hear people different than ourselves say something makes them uncomfortable.

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by omonra »

Stopped reading at 'I'm a white male' as if it's some sort of a handicap (in the words of George Carlin - "happens to be").

Tired of white male guilt permeating every other non-technical post. To me this colors the author is too extreme in their worldview, hence I am unlikely to seriously consider whatever he says after that.

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by moocowduckquack »

diogenescynic wrote: post #11
404error wrote: post #2

It doesn't look to me like any of the women in those examples were forced to pose a certain way. It's a problem if you make it a problem.

American puritanism combined with political correctness culture is a formula to create mountains out of molehills.

And then bulldoze them flat, just in case any children might think they look like breasts.

Re: Guys, stop sexualizing women in your mockups

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Post by mhofstadt »

Wow... if you actually click the link to Meng To's "From Design To iOS7 Prototype" design post, you'll see that at least 1/2 the images are of men. You perniciously decided to cherry pick one example that happens to have a woman, and assert that he's sexualizing women.

Also, it's clear that you are projecting your own homophobic prejudices onto women when you write: "I can’t stand this video. Watching toned men parade around with their junk sticking out makes me feel very uncomfortable."

You assume that, because you feel uncomfortable looking at the skin of same sex individuals, all women must therefore share your prejudice. I think this article reflects more about your own assumptions and prejudices than it does about the difficulties women really face. You are contributing to the problem, good job.

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