Live data from Hacker News

Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

coindesk.com

31–40 of 86 posts

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#31
post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

Because you're not looking at the important metric.

The _price_ of BTC is completely irrelevant to its "success". The only people who care about BTC price are speculators who are simply "day-trading" with the newest penny-stock.

The real measurement is whether or not people are actually using BTC as a mechanism to transfer wealth between each other.

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions

Notice: the number of BTC Transactions have remained steady for months.

When BTC transactions reach an all-time high (and when those BTC transactions are more than just temporary "flash crash" exchange volume), then I'll start calling it a success.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#32
post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

Because you're not looking at the important metric. The _price_ of BTC is completely irrelevant to its "success". The only people who care about BTC price are speculators who are simply "day-trading" with the newest penny-stock. The real measurement is whether or not people are actually using BTC as a mechanism to transfer wealth between each other. https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions Notice: the number of…

And you know that people are actually doing transactions how? As far as I can tell a big whale is keeping the volume of transactions steady moving coins from one portfoglio to another. There you go, transactions steady.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#33
post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

Because you're not looking at the important metric. The _price_ of BTC is completely irrelevant to its "success". The only people who care about BTC price are speculators who are simply "day-trading" with the newest penny-stock. The real measurement is whether or not people are actually using BTC as a mechanism to transfer wealth between each other. https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions Notice: the number of…

Your exact same graph (zoomed out to show all-time data) shows that we are at an all-time high (the moving 6-month average clearly is):

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=all&s...

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#34
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you're not looking at the important metric. The _price_ of BTC is completely irrelevant to its "success". The only people who care about BTC price are speculators who are simply "day-trading" with the newest penny-stock. The real measurement is whether or not people are actually using BTC as a mechanism to transfer wealth between each other. https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions Notice: the number of…

And you know that people are actually doing transactions how? As far as I can tell a big whale is keeping the volume of transactions steady moving coins from one portfoglio to another. There you go, transactions steady.

Well, all those hacked BitCoins have to be moved around as well.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#35
post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

It's important to distinguish the crimes that happen involving theft of bitcoin, from bitcoin as a payment system and protocol. Do you know how many crimes happen per day involving dollars? It's many orders of magnitude more than bitcoin related crimes. Just sayin'

edit: a word

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#36
post #26
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These stories of hacks & scandals and your link showing increasing-value only increases my desire to buy bitcoin. Also, this wild story[1] makes me want bitcoin too. What if I just want to buy $500 USD worth of bitcoin and just sit on it? Maybe 10 years from now it'll be worth close to a million, or maybe bitcoin will be shutdown and it'll be worth nothing. I think I can risk it. Who's trust-worthy these days if I wa…

Coinbase.com is a YC company that's trustworthy and convenient if you have a US bank account

Eh, I wouldn't recommend Coinbase. They deemed one of my purchases from them as "high-risk" and have been holding my money hostage since. Support team has been taking 3-4 days to reply to each email in the thread.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#37
post #26
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These stories of hacks & scandals and your link showing increasing-value only increases my desire to buy bitcoin. Also, this wild story[1] makes me want bitcoin too. What if I just want to buy $500 USD worth of bitcoin and just sit on it? Maybe 10 years from now it'll be worth close to a million, or maybe bitcoin will be shutdown and it'll be worth nothing. I think I can risk it. Who's trust-worthy these days if I wa…

Coinbase.com is a YC company that's trustworthy and convenient if you have a US bank account

+1 for coinbase. As long as you transfer the bulk of your coins to an offline wallet (Electrum is pretty simple), you can buy from any exchange like this pretty safely.

I've been doing dollar cost averaging through coinbase for the last three months (buying $20 worth every week), and with the recent surge my ~$300 investment is now worth over $1,000.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#38
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brainwallets are never a good idea. See here: https://www.google.com/search?q=brainwallet+(stolen+OR+hacke...

100 randomly generated characters (a-z, A-Z, 0-9) would be 595 bits of entropy. You will not be brute forcing it. Although 100 characters is pretty excessive, since a Bitcoin address only has 160 bits of entropy.

Remember scales - there is a lot more entropy in 160 bits than there is in 100 bits.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#39
post #30
post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

Bitcoin continues to appreciate, because positive developments surpass negative ones, by far . In the last week alone: - Winklevosses: Bitcoin worth at least 100 times more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101190181 - Federal Reserve economist says bitcoin is a remarkable technical achievement: http://www.coindesk.com/federal-reserve-economist-says-bitco... - Shopify (70,000 merchants!) accepts Bitcoin: http://thenextweb.com/…

I'm not sure that I'd lead with speculation from the Winklevosses in order to convince a skeptic. Your other three points are much stronger.

Also, only the latter two are actual economic developments, rather than analysis. The upcoming Congressional hearings might be newsworthy too.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

#40
post #9

I'd love to say there's some more nefarious work going on, like governments trying to quash Bitcoin and executing these hacks... But my guess is it comes down to poor security.

I couldn't agree more. I took a cool seminar in college about web security, in which a former senior security specialist for a government agency said that there is no such thing as full security, just varying levels of insecurity. Scary thought...

>there is no such thing as full security, just varying levels of insecurity

Six in one hand...

But it is good to realize that there really no such thing as perfect security. If it can be accessed, it can be accessed nefariously.

Post reply on HN