The masks represent: Unity Equality Struggle against oppression That is all. Fuck warner brothers Guy Fawkes was the only person to enter the houses of parliament with honourable intentions
+1 in this case, it's the meaning that matters.
An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
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Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#32The following quote is relevant here: “WOULD ANY SANE PERSON think dumpster diving would have stopped Hitler, or that composting would have ended slavery or brought about the eight-hour workday, or that chopping wood and carrying water would have gotten people out of Tsarist prisons, or that dancing naked around a fire would have helped put in place the Voting Rights Act of 1957 or the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Then…
"wah wah wah corporations are bad, growth is bad" Corporations and economic growth are directly responsible for the possibility that this discussion is happening: the internet, cheap and powerful computers, etc Or even better: https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/391943773963304960
You are of course totally right, it wouldn't be possible.
However it is possible to have large corporations and growth but also do it in a responsible manner. It won't be an overnight fix but there are a lot of smart people in this world that could make it work.
And of course lots of the solutions to the problems are also vilified (nuclear is a big one) so it isn't going to be easy.
But I think the general point being made shouldn't be dismissed entirely. They are right about many of the "solutions" that are presented being sort of a waste of time, intended only to make people feel better about themselves without making any real progress towards fixing the problem.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#33The following quote is relevant here: “WOULD ANY SANE PERSON think dumpster diving would have stopped Hitler, or that composting would have ended slavery or brought about the eight-hour workday, or that chopping wood and carrying water would have gotten people out of Tsarist prisons, or that dancing naked around a fire would have helped put in place the Voting Rights Act of 1957 or the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Then…
Speaking of foxconn, this story sadly got buried today
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-07/an-iphone-te...
But it is very much worth reading.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#34If I would be part of them, I would create a 3D-printer model of the mask and share that all over so people can organise their own distribution...
Why do you even need 3D printing, an artist can certainly make a 2D drawing that looks 3D and put it on a website or email for people to just print out.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#35The Daily Telegraph is owned by the Barclay brothers who also own Shop direct, which transferred its call centers to Serco which outsourced them to India and South Africa because it is cheaper. Profit. You can connect anything to low wages and "poor conditions." The point is completely overhauling the corporate government and finding real freedom, real true freedom. The issue is finding people who are aware that the government and media have failed us in their original watchdog approach. Media employees have been sucked into the same trap, that maybe they can get ahead if they stick to the winning side. They are only winning because we, the people, are too comfortable with settling instead of opening our eyes to the truth. You cannot trust the media; it is ran by corporations that influence what we can see and what we can know. It influences what we think. The world must wake up, or we will all be hypnotized by the newest marketing ploy.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#36People are too in love with the idea of seeing others get "nailed" for being hypocrites. All you have to do is say something that sounds vaguely clever or ironic in a snarky manner and people go "Ooooh, snap" even if it really makes not much sense. For instance: "Julian Assange of Wikileaks wants to protect his own privacy." "Ooooh, snap."
Accusations of hypocrisy are a form of ad hominem, so I agree it's amusing that so many people think they are good arguments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
I think hypocrisy is a valid argument specifically when someone claims that they should be trusted with political power because they behave in a puritan, unassailable manner, while their opponent is merely human.
When it turns out they're a hypocrite, it strikes at the core of why they were elected.
Moreover, it SHOULD remind people that the guy who claims his morals are unassailable is lying to you.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
"wah wah wah corporations are bad, growth is bad" Corporations and economic growth are directly responsible for the possibility that this discussion is happening: the internet, cheap and powerful computers, etc Or even better: https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/391943773963304960
You are of course totally right, it wouldn't be possible. However it is possible to have large corporations and growth but also do it in a responsible manner. It won't be an overnight fix but there are a lot of smart people in this world that could make it work. And of course lots of the solutions to the problems are also vilified (nuclear is a big one) so it isn't going to be easy. But I think the general point bein…
Thanks, yes, corporations do make excesses and yes, it's possible to do it responsibly.
Oh yes, most of the "personal solutions" are not really helpful (well, in a way they are, but it ends up happening over time, like using CFLs instead of incandescent lighting, etc)
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
"wah wah wah corporations are bad, growth is bad" Corporations and economic growth are directly responsible for the possibility that this discussion is happening: the internet, cheap and powerful computers, etc Or even better: https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/391943773963304960
"wah wah wah monarchy is bad, empire is bad" The British government is directly responsible for the possibility that this discussion of "taxation without representation" is happening; colonization, trade, etc. Sometimes when you stand on the shoulders of giants, you realize that the old ways were lousy. America as it is today wouldn't exist without slavery and Native American genocide. I'm not comparing Capitalism to…
"but I am saying the form of argument you used is ridiculous, because I can use the same argument to defend awful things."
Except you just used a straw man. Of course it's ridiculous then.
"America as it is today wouldn't exist without slavery and Native American genocide."
Of course not. But those things went away, and the USA is still there.
But you can't have the internet without equipment, without servers built by guess who? Corporations. Take that away: no internet.
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#39"Unfortunate" is definitely the word for the fact that these masks that hold such great symbolism to Anonymous (and other groups) are owned by the companies that want to control the internet. So they've called out the media for using products by Foxconn, okay. What do they expect to come from that? I'm really not sure. The main thing I got from this is that we should find another mask, or face, for Anonymous and acti…
What is actually "unfortunate" in my opinion is that so many people are using the v/guyfawkes mask without any knowledge of its origin (efg, /b/) and its meaning (a joke)
When David Lloyd created the Guy Fawkes mask, /b/ didn't even exist.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120918184420/marvel_...
Re: An open letter to the media, by Anonymous
#40The following quote is relevant here: “WOULD ANY SANE PERSON think dumpster diving would have stopped Hitler, or that composting would have ended slavery or brought about the eight-hour workday, or that chopping wood and carrying water would have gotten people out of Tsarist prisons, or that dancing naked around a fire would have helped put in place the Voting Rights Act of 1957 or the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Then…
I think we are moving to a such world, albeit slowly. 3D printers are a movement in that direction, that ends with mini factories or replicators. Replicators will be the death kneel of the factories.
Having read Alastair Reynold's stuff, I thought the idea of replicators was awesome. My current thinking is that 3d printers, if they master multiple materials, will kill off mundane manufacturing. I can't see it being a bad thing, albeit an industrial revolution style shift.