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My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by mixmastamyk »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #13

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

You're right, however life is never perfect. Most people make statements/questions off the cuff (without the assistance of a team of lawyers whispering into their earbud communicator).

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#32

Post by aluhut »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #10
ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

If I have to work 80+ hours a week to have the absolute financial freedom to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose, nevermind ensuring similar benefits accrue to my family, then I think that's a pretty good deal. I still have down time and plenty of fond memories -- you just have to plan how you spend that time a bit better. I live in a part of the world where a lack of financial…

I wish I could have your optimistic view of the worlds situation in 10, 20, etc. years.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#33

Post by ryanjshaw »

lucaspiller wrote: post #19
ryanjshaw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to work 80+ hours a week to have the absolute financial freedom to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose, nevermind ensuring similar benefits accrue to my family, then I think that's a pretty good deal. I still have down time and plenty of fond memories -- you just have to plan how you spend that time a bit better. I live in a part of the world where a lack of financial…

> to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose It seems like you quite enjoy what you do. When you retire are you just going to give up that completely? If not maybe it is something you consider. You can earn a pretty healthy salary not working 80 hours a week, and you might get some ideas of what you want to do when you have financial freedom, rather than just slouching in front of…

On hours: I'm reasonably good at what I do. But there are other things I'd enjoy more. Consider that I work 40-50 hours/week at a normal job, and the remaining 30-40 on escaping the rat race or dealing with this troublesome thing called "life". If I'm in front of a TV, it's with a laptop.

On freedom: At 25 and with your income, it's likely you can have plenty of freedom and fun while putting away a fairly decent portion of what you're earning into e.g. ETFs or ETNs and by the time you're my age, 30, you'll have far more freedom than I do.

Unfortunately I was pretty naive at 25, and I have people to take care of now, so my only option is go big or go nowhere. I don't really have any comfortable middle-ground.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by bradgessler »

ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

Our company was founded on not working insane hours. From our jobs page (http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs):

    "We do not do death marches. We do not do lockdowns. We do
     not believe in 80 hour work weeks as a way of life."
If anybody is stuck in this kind of unnecessary insanity looking for a way out shoot me an email!

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#35

Post by dmead »

ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

to be frank about it those types are literally gambling away time of their lives. they're going for a huge payoff which might mean they won't have to work ever again.

all these posts about "making an impact" and "being good at what you do" are all bullshit posturing. they really want is marketing material to show investors that they can be trusted with their money. the problem is that those kinds of shitpiles get confused with actual content around here.

it's like the hacker news equivalent of meme posts on reddit, except instead of karma points they're hoping for actual dollars.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by TheSmoke »

ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

i thought that 80+ hours work was irony. it's really interesting if it's not irony.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by qwerta »

ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

80+ is doable if you work from home. I often code with my daughter sitting on my lap. I also do lot of work in my head without computer.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by voltagex_ »

bradgessler wrote: post #34
ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

Our company was founded on not working insane hours. From our jobs page ( http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs ): "We do not do death marches. We do not do lockdowns. We do not believe in 80 hour work weeks as a way of life." If anybody is stuck in this kind of unnecessary insanity looking for a way out shoot me an email!

    Finding the right people for our team is far too important to outsource. We don't work with recruiters. Seriously, we have a recruiter vodoo doll; if you contact us we're going to stick a pin in it.
Love it. I'm a C# dev on the other side of the world from you, but I'll be here if you ever need me.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#39

Post by cperciva »

patio11 wrote: post #28
JoshTriplett wrote: post #13

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

Josh is currently downvoted, but is absolutely correct on US employment law. People wanting to run companies take note.

> People wanting to run companies take note.

True, but people with time machines set to return them to January 1976 (when this story took place) probably don't need to worry about such details.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#40

Post by lucaspiller »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #33
lucaspiller wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose It seems like you quite enjoy what you do. When you retire are you just going to give up that completely? If not maybe it is something you consider. You can earn a pretty healthy salary not working 80 hours a week, and you might get some ideas of what you want to do when you have financial freedom, rather than just slouching in front of…

On hours: I'm reasonably good at what I do. But there are other things I'd enjoy more. Consider that I work 40-50 hours/week at a normal job, and the remaining 30-40 on escaping the rat race or dealing with this troublesome thing called "life". If I'm in front of a TV, it's with a laptop. On freedom: At 25 and with your income, it's likely you can have plenty of freedom and fun while putting away a fairly decent port…

Apologies I think I misread your first post a bit, so my comment may have seemed a bit overly harsh.

I don't think the family thing is much of an excuse for having to work 80+ hours though - if anything that should be a reason not to work that hard. I know developers earning what I am, supporting a family like yourself, perfectly happy with their life. I guess it depends what you want though, if you want to send your kids to private school and not have them have to pay for their higher education then of course sacrifices need to be made.

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