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Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Why should we rise above it? What's wrong with estimating somebody's worth in dollars?

I've written and deleted about 3 attempts at answering that question, not happy with any of them and obviously I have to get my thoughts in order. It's quite the "question for the ages" : D I'll get back to you ...

Typically, this means you have an pre-conceived opinion, and are looking for a rationalization.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Jobs and Apple have changed the world in so many ways. WTF have you done with your life?

Quit downmodding this guy. Jesus, I hate the downmod arrow. Here's some elucidation: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north670.html Read it. Time is the great equalizer. Warren Buffett is worth ten thousand times more than you are, assuming you are worth $5 million. But he is 78 years old. Not many people would want to trade places with him, one for one. Steve Jobs is a better man than I'll ever be, but I'd rather be…

Steve Jobs is a better man than I'll ever be,

Why? Because he is famous? Because he is rich? Because he, debatably, has 'made the world a better place'? Screw all those default judgements based on cultural indoctrination. Why is it Good to be famous, rich, innovative, an effective leader, ...? As far as I'm concerned, Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett are no better than you or me when I consider what I think is important in life. Stop pressing culturally correct expectations and judgements on others. Develop your own code of ethics.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Well, as the saying goes: "If you invite the press for the wedding they will also cover the divorce" Steve Jobs invited the press to the wedding.

I am guessing it would also be reasonable to say it has a material affect on Apple as a publicly traded company, at least in the short term. And certainly the stock price. But I wish him the best, it seems too soon for him to be leaving this, and I am sure he has more he wants to do.

I would say that John Sculley confirms that :-)

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Because it's basically placing monetary bets on another human being's health. Yeah, I know he's the key person, I know why they do it, I just think it's depressing that our society still hasn't risen above putting a dollar value on life.

Why should we rise above it? What's wrong with estimating somebody's worth in dollars?

One explanation is that doing so means treating people as a means to your ends, rather than as ends in themselves. Which is somewhat frowned upon in certain ethical traditions.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Smart that this comes out today. Yesterday, Apple's stocks jumped up 53% with the release of the new iPhone and it proved that investor's feel good about the prospects of an Apple without Jobs at its helm day-in, day-out.

If this article had come out before, I think Apple would've taken a hit.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Bury this. Jobs's medical condition, whatever it is or was, is a private matter about which he has elected to not speak. He's met all reasonable obligations by announcing when he was going to be out and when he expected to return. The rest is small-minded gossip.

Steve Jobs is a public figure and is perceived as the creative driving force behind Apple's success, and Apple is a publicly-traded company.

His health, thus, is of concern to Apple users and shareholders. And competitors too, but in a different, probably evil, way.

His health worries me too - and I am neither a heavy Apple user nor a shareholder, but I am deeply concerned about innovation in this market if he ever retires. Who would lead? Microsoft? Ewww.

And there is also the human factor. I wish him well for no other reason than him being a human being.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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How is it cynical to price the health of an organization's key person into its value?

Because it's basically placing monetary bets on another human being's health. Yeah, I know he's the key person, I know why they do it, I just think it's depressing that our society still hasn't risen above putting a dollar value on life.

The value of Steve's life is incalculable, even priceless, but the value of his continued tenure at Apple indeed has a dollar value. This is what the stock market is concerned about.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Bury this. Jobs's medical condition, whatever it is or was, is a private matter about which he has elected to not speak. He's met all reasonable obligations by announcing when he was going to be out and when he expected to return. The rest is small-minded gossip.

Jobs is a figure of mythic proportions who is of keen interest to technologists, entrepreneurs, and the general public. He's been featured in movies; books have been written about him; he's granted the media many levels of access, from photos through interviews, to boost his products. That attention can't be turned off like a spigot. Even if Jobs weren't still actively involved in Apple, people would be deeply intere…

True enough, but this particular article is completely unsourced. It is very little more than gossip at this point.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Bury this. Jobs's medical condition, whatever it is or was, is a private matter about which he has elected to not speak. He's met all reasonable obligations by announcing when he was going to be out and when he expected to return. The rest is small-minded gossip.

Steve Jobs is a public figure and is perceived as the creative driving force behind Apple's success, and Apple is a publicly-traded company. His health, thus, is of concern to Apple users and shareholders. And competitors too, but in a different, probably evil, way. His health worries me too - and I am neither a heavy Apple user nor a shareholder, but I am deeply concerned about innovation in this market if he ever r…

"Who would lead?"

Jon Rubenstein? I think the Palm Pre is of the same calibre in terms of innovation and ease of use as any Apple product. I'd like to see what Palm could do with Jon at the helm, and the same resources as Apple.

Re: Jobs had liver transplant 2 months ago; expected to return to work as planned

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Bury this. Jobs's medical condition, whatever it is or was, is a private matter about which he has elected to not speak. He's met all reasonable obligations by announcing when he was going to be out and when he expected to return. The rest is small-minded gossip.

Well, as the saying goes: "If you invite the press for the wedding they will also cover the divorce" Steve Jobs invited the press to the wedding.

Out of curiousity, what are your examples of Jobs inviting people into his private life? From where I stand, he's always been very demanding about the need to keep his private life private.

Apple does not rely on Jobs' public profile for success. Yes, they do rely on his ability as a driver of innovation, but if Jobs were never to say a word in public again, it wouldn't seem to hurt Apple (at least, that's my opinion, having watched the last keynote without him). As such, I don't think Jobs has traded on publicity for his success, and can consequently reasonably request that we leave his private life alone.

Meh.

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