As a reply to the article, I'd say the best way to transform "waste" into "worth" is simply to get rid of the huge tuitions with maintained quality. Though, I realize this is probably next to impossible for the US. However, it works fine in other countries.
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#32I'm a student who is halfway done with a degree in Entrepreneurship. I often ask myself what the hell I'm doing, and the answer is simple--society says I have to. Now, I realize its all one big hoax, but I've stuck with it because of the relationships I have built thus far. With that having been said, I would happily give my $30,000/year in student loans to an incubator program that could actually get me started. May…
Degree in Entrepreneurship? I've not heard of this, and (off the bat) it seems like it might be one huge contradiction, or a way for a school to bundle a bunch of pre-existing courses together into something "new and innovative" that they can advertise. Can you discuss your program a bit?
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#33> The truth is that college is one big party I believe 100% this is THE most important part of college/university level education. The education part is minor because if you have a subject interest it will come fairly naturally (I do think if you have to force knowledge in there is no point trying). Partying is socialising, building a circle of friends/associates and generally learning how humanity interacts. Indeed…
"Partying is socialising, building a circle of friends/associates and generally learning how humanity interacts." So is work, except you're more likely to remember it the next day.
You've fallen back a bit onto the "so drunk you black out" stereotype. Which isnt fair at all - you're right there is little value in that but it doesnt mean the other 99% of the time socialising isnt valuable :)
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#34Compilers and languages -- Right now I've got ideas on how to create a new and better programming language (hopefully that will be the 100-year language =P) which will have stuff from lisp, prolog, C++, Java, and first order logic. honestly, there would be no way that I would try to learn lisp by myself, much less understand the elegance of lambda calculus. I wouldn't know where to start thinking about other complex things like knowledge representation and complexity related to it.
Linux / vim / eclipse / makefile -- I picked up how to use a lot of tools in college, when some other friends also used it. It would have really bad if I had to learn all of those without being able to call someone up and ask for help.
networking -- I've done some stuff outside of school for a year that had nothing to do with CS. I really haven't met so many "simple" people before... not that there's anything wrong with that, but I really do not think of them to do interesting projects with. Not all the people I knew from college was a CS major, but I can see myself working with a lot of them for various projects.
Machine learning -- This was one of those things that I was interested in, but I can't see myself learning about it all by myself. I took a class about it for audit, then took it again a few years later. It really makes a difference to be pushed to do the work. And even though I forgot about a lot of the details, I don't think it would be too hard to re-learn about random forest, bayesian networks, reinforcement learning, etc.
It seems to me that there are a lot of software companies out there that do some stuff that are pretty heavy on the theory side. Google's pagerank, spam filters, antivirus software, etc. I'll bet those kinda jobs are better than a "4-year-experience-with-java" job.
I'm also not too sure about the "replacing college with an incubator" thing... college is something you gotta do, doing a startup is supposed to be a risky thing. I've done a year long senior project that I just totally blew off because it was a "class project". People have done much more stuff in three months than what I did that year. If people see the startup incubator as something that's required, i don't think it would work out as well. But I think it would have been helpful if there were more incubators that were closely tied with the school, so that it wouldn't seem like such a far-fetched idea to do a startup.
btw, those humanity classes really are a total waste of time.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Partying is socialising, building a circle of friends/associates and generally learning how humanity interacts." So is work, except you're more likely to remember it the next day.
nah - I like the people I work with but good friends? Besides they all have the same interests right? (or thereabouts) :) no variety. You've fallen back a bit onto the "so drunk you black out" stereotype. Which isnt fair at all - you're right there is little value in that but it doesnt mean the other 99% of the time socialising isnt valuable :)
I remember something my sister once said. She wants her kids to go to college and play sports because it's the best way of learning teamwork. I begged to differ, suggesting they oughta get jobs instead.
I agree completely with your original post.
One of my most vivid early college memories was teaching the other 100 or so freshmen in my dorm how to use the washing machine. Geesh, leave them in the woods and they'd just die. Hopefully, they're better now.
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#38Preaching 'College is a waste of time' and dropping out of college makes you a Facebook founder, isn't healthy! If you are studying Computer Science, you need to learn Artificial Intelligence or Architecture design, you cannot say it has no relevance to the industry. It does, and it helps to shape up a young mind to look at the BIG picture. YCombi is great, but how can you replace that for College education? Its narr…
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#39"Students today leave school with so much debt" I finished school debt-free. I saved up for school and applied for as many scholarships as I could. Many employers will even give you signing bonuses to help pay off student loans.
"What it teaches is out of date by the time students graduate" College is not a tech school. Going to college is more about learning how to learn and meeting people. If you really want to go places in your field of study you spend lots of time out of class exploring new ideas, and if this is the case you will likely be ahead of the curve through most of your life.
"People learn by doing, not by sitting in a class and being lectured to." Yeah. Most science and engineering classes are heavily lab and project based.
"Four years of information is too much to retain" Perhaps for some. However those same people can easily review and be back up to speed.
"The truth is that college is one big party" College is what you make of it.
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#40Maybe rephrase "College Is a Waste for __fill_in_the_blank__ Majors" Is college a waste for Doctors & Lawyers? Do you want a doctor to learn his trade on-the-job? College is a big waste for a lot of majors, but certainly not in general...
Doctors learn medicine in medical school. College is just wasting time jumping through hoops. As for law, a friend who recently graduated from law school said, "We would spend all semester paying to hear our professors who just liked to hear themselves talk. Then we would spend our summers interning and get paid to learn useful skills."
Lawyers learn the law in law school. We do not actually need to go to college for anything, since the law does not rely on any prerequisite knowledge, except maybe (American) political history and intro-level macroeconomics.