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Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by nawitus »

rcconf wrote: post #20
nawitus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak The problem with that is that the consumption of animal products is unethical. You should consider switching to a vegan low-carb diet to decrease suffering.

How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet? How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle? Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products. I don't think this "ethical" diet is going to work for me.

'How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet?'

I don't know.

'How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle?'

Well.

'Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products.'

I don't find it strange to call the slaughter of animals and mistreatment of animals unethical.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by elrzn »

Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma.

I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot.

Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by unoti »

danmaz74 wrote: post #13
unoti wrote: post #3

Fat is not the enemy. Fat that you eat can be converted handily into energy. An overabundance of carbs is the enemy! It's hilarious to me that people who think nothing of downing a 48 oz Dr Pepper, then getting a refill, after a dinner featuring potatoes, pasta, and bread will thumb their nose at having a 12 oz glass of whole milk. Those carbs, especially when consumed late in the day, go straight into fat. The nutri…

"Fat that you eat can be converted handily into energy" What is this supposed to mean? That an overabundance of carbs is bad, while an overabundance of fat isn't? This is getting ridiculous.

By "Fat that you eat can be converted into energy" I meant that just because you eat fat doesn't mean it's going right to your belly or hips.

And a lot of people are terrified of consuming 5 grams of fat, but think nothing of consuming 400 carbs in the form of bread, pasta, and sugar. I'm advocating an approach based on whole foods, less sugar, carbs only from wholesome sources like oatmeal and whole grains. I'm just trying to say people focus too much on fat.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by nawitus »

TomGullen wrote: post #28
nawitus wrote: post #11

The problem with low-carb diets is that most people use it as an excuse to consume animal products. A vegan low-carb diet is fine.

As long as you get enough protein and fat. It's a lot harder to get those sources of protein and fat when you exclude meat (do-able of course but you're a lot more restricted)

It's easy to get enough protein and fat on a vegan diet.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by guruz »

StacyC wrote: post #7

My wife and I have been on a very low carb / high fat diet for the last 4 months, and we have never felt better. Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak, butter, some veggies and fruit. We both lost weight too. Also cut out processed food, sugar and grains — bread, pasta, rice, cereal — basically a ketogenic diet, which adapts the body to burning fat more readily. We both have also noticed that we just feel more mental cla…

The thing you're doing goes under the name "paleo diet" for me, but no matter the name: It definitely works.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by unoti »

elrzn wrote: post #32

Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

I think it's actually different for different people. My understanding is that someone with a high body fat percent can sustain quite a bit of an exercise regimen for a while with low carbs, consuming their fat for energy. But eventually as their body fat percent comes down, they'll need to supplement their diet with carbs to maintain their energy level for the same exercise.

The P90X diet program is based on this idea, with 3 phases of the diet with very low carbs in the first phase, medium carbs in the second phase, and more carbs in the third phase.

So maybe you're both right...

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by TomGullen »

nawitus wrote: post #34
TomGullen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you get enough protein and fat. It's a lot harder to get those sources of protein and fat when you exclude meat (do-able of course but you're a lot more restricted)

It's easy to get enough protein and fat on a vegan diet.

And that doesn't necessarily contradict what I've said at all. You just have less choice which is an undeniable truth. The more choice you have the easier it is to stick to a particular diet, because all dieting involves reduction of choice at some level.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by sparkie »

nawitus wrote: post #14
StacyC wrote: post #7

My wife and I have been on a very low carb / high fat diet for the last 4 months, and we have never felt better. Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak, butter, some veggies and fruit. We both lost weight too. Also cut out processed food, sugar and grains — bread, pasta, rice, cereal — basically a ketogenic diet, which adapts the body to burning fat more readily. We both have also noticed that we just feel more mental cla…

>Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak The problem with that is that the consumption of animal products is unethical. You should consider switching to a vegan low-carb diet to decrease suffering.

The consumption of plants is unethical, they're living organisms too!

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by gngeal »

unoti wrote: post #3

Fat is not the enemy. Fat that you eat can be converted handily into energy. An overabundance of carbs is the enemy! It's hilarious to me that people who think nothing of downing a 48 oz Dr Pepper, then getting a refill, after a dinner featuring potatoes, pasta, and bread will thumb their nose at having a 12 oz glass of whole milk. Those carbs, especially when consumed late in the day, go straight into fat. The nutri…

Fat is not the enemy.

My once-inflamed pancreas says otherwise. :-) I guess there's no one-size-fits-all solution to that.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by unoti »

swombat wrote: post #16
felixfurtak wrote: post #10

I would highly recommend watching the BBC documentary "The Men Who Made Us Fat". This reaches broadly the same conclusions. Fat is fairly innocuous, but the real danger food is Sugar, and artificial sweeteners tend to make things worse.

Why do artificial sweeteners make things worse? Are 2 little sweetener pills in my coffee really worse than two cubes of sugar?

It seems possible to me. I know Sucralose is actually made from sugar as a starting point, then they chemically alter it.

As for can it be harmful, maybe so:

"A Duke University study[35] funded by the Sugar Association found evidence that doses of Splenda of between 100 and 1000 mg/kg, containing sucralose at 1.1 to 11 mg/kg (compare to the FDA Acceptable Daily Intake of 5 mg/kg), reduced the amount of fecal microflora in rats by up to 50%, increased the pH level in the intestines, contributed to increases in body weight, and increased levels of P-glycoprotein (P-gp).[36] These effects have not been reported in humans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose#Other_potential_effec...

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