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Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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I would definitely do something like this if I didn't happen to live in latitudes where it's cold and snowy in the winter.

You can move. But the most important part is to not be stopped by trivialities such as being "stuck" at the wrong latitude. Most people could move toward the equator for $500 or less if they put their mind to it.

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Look at all the comments: 'BUM & DEAD BEAT DAD', 'a healthy young guy with potential who turned into a bum', 'He's a bum and a freeloader' , ', 'Another bum allowing the state to raise his kids.', 'Yes, another worthless bum who the country would be better off without', 'A leach on society who should have died years ago', 'It is bums like this that the rest of us working people are supporting', 'Definitely bi-polar,…

He does not seem to be a freeloader and I agree that it's silly to ascribe outcomes based on someone's perceived potential, but it does appear that the guy left his wife and kids. That's an asshole move in my book regardless of how much of a beautiful snowflake you might turn out to be. It is unclear to me how he helped support his children as he pursued his unique lifestyle. If he did support his children in a way that he and his former wife found constructive then that's a good thing, if he left her holding the bag to raise two kids on her own then he is a 'Dead Beat Dad' and an asshole. Anyway, if someone has a less superficial analysis of how he handled is obligations in order to get to a $5k/year lifestyle I'd appreciate it... living like he does is certainly inspirational, especially if you can do that without screwing over your wife and children.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country is that? Edit: Looking at some EC website [1], these are the countries with median gross annual income Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania 1. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index....

Basically any ex USSR country.

Ex-Communist country, you mean. The only ex-USSR countries in the EU are the Baltics (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia).

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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This article is full of fabrication. The girl claims to live on $1000 a month in NYC, and she only pays $135 a week for an extra room in a crap neighborhood. Leaving her, with $540 to live on... In NYC, for 30 days. Now, I'm sure this is possible, but she is sitting there on a macbook. Welp, there goes your budget for the entire year! And this article claims less is making these people happier. Not really, and they a…

A strong accusation with little to base it on. MacBook Air? Bottom end refurbished model costs $900. That's a dollar a day for 2.5 years; in NY you can recycle soda cans for $0.05/each, so 20 found cans a day keeps her tolerably up to date. There's enough free wifi around to manage connectivity. Extreme frugality is viable if you put your mind to it. Our advertising-driven culture is guilty of making most think it is…

I've picked up used MacBooks (for relatives etc, I hate Windows tech support) for as little as $300. Still running years later. They couldn't be happier.

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Dude spends $5000 a year living in a cave? I could live all year in the Philippines with a normal house and not really having to cut back on much.

This article is silly to be talking about poverty on purpose. These guys are living really frugal, not in poverty.

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This article is full of fabrication. The girl claims to live on $1000 a month in NYC, and she only pays $135 a week for an extra room in a crap neighborhood. Leaving her, with $540 to live on... In NYC, for 30 days. Now, I'm sure this is possible, but she is sitting there on a macbook. Welp, there goes your budget for the entire year! And this article claims less is making these people happier. Not really, and they a…

No, what's fishy is the $135/week rent, even a small room can cost more than that--unless it's a really, really bad area. But you can live on $540, for a while. Food can be very cheap in the bodegas and the rest can largely be controlled by only getting what's really needed. Of course a hospital visit will set you back 1-5 years of living expenses but that's different.

Bullshit. I have friends that lived in Surreal Estate (a Bushwick artists' loft) five years go for 150/_month_.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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I'm sure I could subsist on a very minimal salary. But what would I be left doing? I enjoy traveling, I enjoy playing several musical instruments, I enjoy owning a reasonable computer (granted, my main laptop is a $300 eBay find), I enjoy eating interesting food, I enjoy buying books, I enjoy doing fun things with friends. And I wish I worked less so I could do all of the above a lot more.

Sure, I could compromise on all of that. Couchsurf. Use the library (both for its books and its computers). Become a better cook to make more with less. Do other things with friends. Etcetera etcetera etcetera.

But the mere term "compromise" implies "loss of originally-expected value", and there comes a point where I could have all the time in the world and not enjoy spending time on anything. Back to the OP, I question what Price does all day when he's not working odd jobs. I almost expected him to be an artist or novelist or somesuch.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Dude spends $5000 a year living in a cave? I could live all year in the Philippines with a normal house and not really having to cut back on much. This article is silly to be talking about poverty on purpose. These guys are living really frugal, not in poverty.

Good point. He could still publish his wilderness zine in a country with a currency that had a higher purchasing power parity than that of the U.S.A. and do odd jobs in that county for extra spending money if he wanted.

According to this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PP...

64 out of 180 counted countries in this world have an average income of $5,000 USD (equivalence) or lower.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Reminds me of that meme of the hippie who uploads her anti-capitalist propaganda from her new iPhone, using McDonald's Wi-Fi.

I don't get how this is worth of an NBC article. Perhaps since I'm used to a whole different socio-economic context; I live in Mexico, where the minimum wage is below $2,000 USD a year, so I don't find $5,000 a year to qualify as "poor" or to be anything impressive.

I know many cases of people who live with way less than that, including myself; I've never had a formal job, and have always lived from one or two days of freelance work each month, or from schoolarships. Sometimes I go for a full month with around $300 USD.

I agree with Gexla in that this is silly at best.

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The article kindly submitted here reports: "More than two decades ago, then-33-year-old Dan Price had a wife, two small children, a high-interest mortgage, and a stressful job as a photojournalist in Kentucky. He worried daily about money and the workaday grind."

Then the article follows up on what Price thinks about his life after he read the book Payne Hollow and his marriage broke up. "'I like being able to do what I want to do,' said Price, who pays $100 a year for his land. 'I don’t believe in houses or mortgages. Who in their right mind would spend their lifetime paying for a building they never get to spend time in because they are always working?'"

So my question about that is, does he believe in a father supporting his young children growing up? I sure do. I can think of a lot of lifestyle adjustments I might make to simplify my life if I had no minor children, but while my children are young, I'm very well going to live with them and participate in supporting them financially. After all, I had the choice at the beginning about whether or not to have children, but my children had no choice about whether they were born to a dad who steps up or a dad who checks out and forgets about them.

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