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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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The recently released Coast for iPad is interesting - coastbyopera.com/ I am thinking Opera want to be acquired?

There were rumors last year that Facebook might acquire Opera. They didn't. But maybe someone else will. As a FastMail user I was very concerned with last year's rumors. Now I don't care because FastMail doesn't have anything to do with Opera anymore.

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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I think you're generally correct about users not caring about the rendering engine for the most part. I wouldn't care at all that they ditched Presto if it meant they retained all the previous features and user interface they had before transitioning. However, I am worried that is unlikely to happen. Looking at the course Blink based Opera has taken thus far, it doesn't look like they're focusing on keeping current u…

I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.

Yeah, I dislike both of those changes as well. I have a pretty long list of things Opera needs to add to versions beyond 12 before I will update to their Blink version. Until then, I'm still using 12 as well.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

I don't think many people used Opera because of it's rendering engine; they used it because of the GUI and high-level features. Moving to webkit just let them focus on what actually made them unique to their customers.

I used to use Opera because of it's privacy features. Being able to have different configuration of javascript, cookies, referals, content blocking and so on. Now with Opera 16 all these features are gone.

How do you increase you're competitive abilities by removing everything that made you unique when you're already the underdog? :S

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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This is more interesting for what it means for Opera than for what it means to Fastmail. First they abandon their browser engine, now a top-notch webmail offering. What do Opera even offer these days that you can't get elsewhere? What 'long term vision' is Rob speaking of?

> What 'long term vision' is Rob speaking of?

To spend more time with their family?

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Please please make this an excuse for a move away from hosting in the USA. A claim to respect privacy necessitates that.

Where would you prefer it be hosted? I suppose an argument might be made in favour of Germany -- but I'd be surprised if they don't have a similar infrastructure in place for wire-tapping as we know know is in place in the US. UK and France is out. Russia is an open spyocracy of sorts. Iceland?

I'm currently looking into setting up a VPS in Iceland or Germany and running my own mail server from it, moving away from Fastmail. It saddens me as I both dislike managing my own mail server and really like Fastmail, but having my email routed through the US is no longer feasible.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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If anyone at Opera is reading this: Please open source Carakan and Presto - don't let them rot, and us hackers have what to learn with them (and potentially do with them). GPL is fine, and may let you still monetize it. (And ... it's not like it's giving you any advantage - you've switched away from both)

Opera Mini still uses Presto. It is quite popular still, especially where people can't get 3G or better coverage.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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If anyone at Opera is reading this: Please open source Carakan and Presto - don't let them rot, and us hackers have what to learn with them (and potentially do with them). GPL is fine, and may let you still monetize it. (And ... it's not like it's giving you any advantage - you've switched away from both)

From this presentation (http://vimeo.com/73934576): Presto don't go open source in the foreseeable future, cause Opera don't want to lose support contracts for the TV browsers. That's makes sense.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Please please make this an excuse for a move away from hosting in the USA. A claim to respect privacy necessitates that.

The stance you should take on privacy in the cloud is that the USA just did a bad job hiding the fact that you had none.

Sick of this nihilist attitude.

> the USA just did a bad job hiding the fact that you had none.

Er, no - the USA are the main ones wholesale intercepting everyone's shit - I'm not a US citizen and I don't like it in principle. I did have a pretty good expectation of privacy until they started doing that, because no-one else has the resources to do a similar whole-take surveillance effort.

Anyway, I signed up for Fastmail because I thought it was foreign to the USA (though later found out the servers are hosted in NYC - doh).

But seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "oh well" attitude. The stance I do take is "you're spying on and profiling me? Fuck you I'm leaving". And that helps me sleep at night, for better or worse.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Please please make this an excuse for a move away from hosting in the USA. A claim to respect privacy necessitates that.

Where would you prefer it be hosted? I suppose an argument might be made in favour of Germany -- but I'd be surprised if they don't have a similar infrastructure in place for wire-tapping as we know know is in place in the US. UK and France is out. Russia is an open spyocracy of sorts. Iceland?

Brazil? haha. Iceland or Germany for sure. Finland, Eastern Europe, maybe?

Simply out of USA/UK jurisdiction would be good, as they're now demonstrably the worst in the West (at least it would certainly seem so based on recent news trends). So, anywhere else.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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The stance you should take on privacy in the cloud is that the USA just did a bad job hiding the fact that you had none.

Sick of this nihilist attitude. > the USA just did a bad job hiding the fact that you had none. Er, no - the USA are the main ones wholesale intercepting everyone's shit - I'm not a US citizen and I don't like it in principle. I did have a pretty good expectation of privacy until they started doing that, because no-one else has the resources to do a similar whole-take surveillance effort. Anyway, I signed up for Fast…

It's not an "oh well" attitude. In fact, I'm advocating that if you actually want your data private and secure, you shouldn't be hosting on someone else's computer at all! You shouldn't be practicing security through good-will (good will assurances by a party that they aren't snooping).

I send most of emails through gmail because I don't care if the NSA reads them. For my cross-border drug deals, I use carrier pigeons with encrypted handwritten messages.

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