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Re: Gmail service disruption

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So does this mean we've lost some emails forever or does this mean we'll get the emails eventually just delayed? EDIT: I have an email currently lost in limbo. 3 hours delayed and counting. Not sure if it will ever get delivered.

I think this is a bit more complicated than normal.

You can read the RFCs if you want to, but normally what happens if an email cannot be delivered is that it will sit in the queue on the SMTP server trying to relay it with status: deferred.

What's different this time around is that gmail is actually reporting that emails ARE being delivered, even though they may not be.

Earlier this morning, I did a manual SMTP transaction[1] with aspmx.l.google.com and got an OK status when I sent the email.

This means that a server relaying mail to gmail would NOT leave a message in its own queue (to retry delivery later), because the server would "think" that it had been delivered.

The problem here is that my "delivered" message did not show up in my inbox until quite a bit later.

SO! Instead of the SMTP system being able to take care of its own outages, the responsibility is upon google to have properly queued messages for delivery internally, and then to deliver them when the system goes back to normal.

It sounds like what is happening is that google is accepting the messages, but then they aren't getting delivered to a mailbox. They're being queued somewhere along the way (at google).

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Your emails will probably be fine, but unfortunately you probably can't call your mail administrator and ask what is up (unless you work at google). Normally, you'd be able to look in your smtp logs and see a message status (delivered, deferred, etc.)

Re: Gmail service disruption

#32
This is really frustrating for me.

I argued up and DOWN with people about us switching to google apps for our email.

Up until recently, we were hosting our own mail on a server in our switch room.

"It's more reliable!" I would insist.

Well...it hasn't been more reliable. There has been more than one longish-term downtime that I can remember since we switched over.

When I was hosting it myself, I could give people status updates, an estimate for when it would be fixed, some kind of explanation.

Now, all I can give them is "it's broken. I don't know why, and google isn't telling anybody why."

Very frustrating, especially considering how much we pay every month for it.

Re: Gmail service disruption

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post #32

This is really frustrating for me. I argued up and DOWN with people about us switching to google apps for our email. Up until recently, we were hosting our own mail on a server in our switch room. "It's more reliable!" I would insist. Well...it hasn't been more reliable. There has been more than one longish-term downtime that I can remember since we switched over. When I was hosting it myself, I could give people sta…

What's customer service like in a situation like that, given that you're paying for it?

Re: Gmail service disruption

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I've had issues getting steadily worse all day across domain since ~9 am est or so. I just received this from Google as part of an auto reply to support ticket. "Thanks for your patience. Please read below for updates on the status of your issue: Updates since last message: This issue has been partially resolved for some users. We expect it to be fully resolved within the next hour. The issue caused severe delays sen…

What kind of mechanism for USA-based email service causes email delays for 50% of Gmail users due to an undersea cable? Not disputing, just curious about cause and effect here, and Gmail architecture.

If one route is disrupted, traffic might be re-routed and overwhelm another route?

Re: Gmail service disruption

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post #32

This is really frustrating for me. I argued up and DOWN with people about us switching to google apps for our email. Up until recently, we were hosting our own mail on a server in our switch room. "It's more reliable!" I would insist. Well...it hasn't been more reliable. There has been more than one longish-term downtime that I can remember since we switched over. When I was hosting it myself, I could give people sta…

This was pretty much my reaction. We switched about 3 years ago from a self hosted Exchange system and up until now it has been pretty good. Only issues were isolated accounts offline for under a hour.

Back then I could say we are about 75% back and give a full description of the issue in laymans terms which usually curbed the anxieties. Today I basically pointed them to the status page saying that this is all I have to work with. In my experience Google's support has been pretty bad but that is because most of the time their products work well, but yea I feel in the dark when something like this occurs. Still their uptime has been better than having that "oh shit" moment because a DC is degraded.

In the end, everyone could still access the email and nothing was lost.

Re: Gmail service disruption

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post #23

Worse than an outage, I got this dreaded email from Google a few hours ago. I hope there isn't some sort of attack going on: Someone recently tried to use an application to sign in to your Google Account - xxx@gmail.com. We prevented the sign-in attempt in case this was a hijacker trying to access your account.

I had this today as well. Where was your attempt coming from? Mine was in HK.

(To be fair, I think it was my own machine attempting to connect via VPN)

Re: Gmail service disruption

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post #33
post #32

This is really frustrating for me. I argued up and DOWN with people about us switching to google apps for our email. Up until recently, we were hosting our own mail on a server in our switch room. "It's more reliable!" I would insist. Well...it hasn't been more reliable. There has been more than one longish-term downtime that I can remember since we switched over. When I was hosting it myself, I could give people sta…

What's customer service like in a situation like that, given that you're paying for it?

Because you asked, I tracked down a support number and called it. It said that: "we are experiencing a problem with gmail. Check google.com/appstatus for updates. If your issue is NOT about gmail, please stay on the line."

So...nothing.

Re: Gmail service disruption

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's customer service like in a situation like that, given that you're paying for it?

Because you asked, I tracked down a support number and called it. It said that: "we are experiencing a problem with gmail. Check google.com/appstatus for updates. If your issue is NOT about gmail, please stay on the line." So...nothing.

Jesus. I know that was the answer I expected, but it still amazes me.

Re: Gmail service disruption

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you asked, I tracked down a support number and called it. It said that: "we are experiencing a problem with gmail. Check google.com/appstatus for updates. If your issue is NOT about gmail, please stay on the line." So...nothing.

Jesus. I know that was the answer I expected, but it still amazes me.

It's a mess, but on the flip side what could support do for you? They knew about it and I'm guessing every engineer on the team was working on getting service back online.

All they really can do is tell you "It's down. We're aware of the issue. We're actively working to resolve it."

Re: Gmail service disruption

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Google services have lately seemed like something Ralph Nader warned you about.

Lately I've found that many Google services (like Google Groups) don't work entirely right with IE or Firefox and they only work right with chrome.

Today I logged into my Google Analytics for the first time, and Google wanted to verify my phone by sending me an SMS. Well, my house is outside the GSM service footprint except when there's a strong temperature inversion, so I get in my car and drive 2 miles, park at the school, don't get the message, I reboot my phone, the message finally comes, then I drive home, and by that time I guess my session timed out because after I typed in my verification code into my computer, it asked me for my password and wanted me to verify again.

I canceled and then Google Analytics in years came up (after about three minutes loading) and locked my browser (Google Chrome) up, until I discovered there was some dialog box that wound up off my main screen that was locking it up.

And then they came out with the new gmail which seems to be yet another scheme to shove Google+ down my throat.

Try doing a search for a programming related query and instead of getting the relevant documentation you get something in broken English that tells you what a loser you are because you are trying to do what you're trying to do and gives you ten incoherent reasons why you shouldn't do what you're doing.

Meanwhile, Matt Butts is making Youtube videos about how you'd better make sure that anybody who links to your site had better make it a nofollow link because if anybody makes you a link that's not a nofollow link you must surely be a spammer. Therefore, you should check all your links in Google Webmaster Tools and write a polite letter to anybody who links to your web site that they'd better remove the links or if they can't do that, make the links nofollow.

Speaking of Youtube, if you're in the 80% of the land area of the USA where all you can get is bad DSL and bad satellite service, it's just unwatchable. Amazon Prime, Vudu, Netflix and everybody else seem to be able to cope, but I don't find anything entertaining at all on Youtube when I have to wait 15 minutes to see a 3 minute video,.

Oh yeah, but if you get 50,000 people to plus you, maybe your site rankings will move from the third page to the second page, or maybe not.

The only organizations who can get away with being linked to today are Wikipedia and spam factories that used to be search engines, like about.com, because if Google bans them (as they should) the DoJ will be on them with an anti-trust lawsuit.

What's worst about it is that if some small competitor comes up with something better, Google buys them up, shuts them down, and then you're left with Google's offerings which just get worse every week.

I remember when I was proud to be a Google AdSense publisher because it didn't have the "one rule to a flat tummy" ads and you know what, they bought the sleazy ad networks and now AdSense is as sleazy as anything. Oh, but if you have one erotic painting from 1649 on your site out of 1,000,000 images they'll kick you out of AdSense without warning the day you are flying back from a conference in San Francisco after one of their agents watches you give a talk at a conference about your web site.

I will say I'm impressed with android, both as an end user and a developer -- it's amazing. But my understanding is that their "scalable" platform for distributed applications is getting long in the tooth and that everything takes four times longer for Googlers to do it than anybody else. Their recruiters never stop calling, never get the hint that you don't want to go work at their beehive where whatever they pay you won't go very far because unless you commute to Fresno you'll spend it all on a mortgage for a house that will be worthless in 25 years and, of all places, you know you'll be just a number to them, if you don't fit their mathematical model of what a coder or a product manager or whatever it is, you just suck.

That won't stop the recruiters from calling though, because the whole point isn't that they want your labor but they just want to kneecap their competitors by taking anybody who can pass an IQ test and wants to live around San Jose away.

Google used to be about a culture of excellence, but today Google is the new Microsoft. Because they never release versions, the press never catches on to the fact that Google's services are like Windows 8.

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