I find a lot of arguments about sports to come down to not everyone enjoys or participates in sports. I find that a dangerous way to think since that could just as easily lead to the cancellation of other programs. For a lot of kids, sports and the academic requirements to participate in sports are the only thing keeping them interested in school.
The Case Against High-School Sports
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#32They had to pass their classes now because they wanted to play, and we taught them to be more respectful of their teachers and administrators. These kids went from being trouble at the school to just normal kids. That is because of sports and nothing else.
Could they have afforded to play on a team not affiliated with the school? Probably not.
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#33That said, how about the professional leagues sending money back into school budgets (x% of ticket sales)? They also benefit from HS sports...
Certainly money is not the only answer to the overall education problems raised in the article - but it could be part of the solution - and I think we want to find sources that don't potentially rob Peter to pay Paul, or have significant intended and unintended consequences and ripple effects.
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#34I was a high school athlete. I wrestled on a top-tier team, played football, and ran cross-country after a knee-injury temporarily disallowed me from football. The financial impact of high school sports aren't the issue. The real issue is their impact on high school culture. School sports, especially the big, spectator friendly, fast-twitch muscle oriented sports of football, basketball, and baseball, send a big mess…
Meanwhile, the basketball team making the state's Final Four game got three pep rallies, excused absences to attend, huge accolades from the administration for getting that far, etc.
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#35They should've stopped spending money on sports instead of firing teachers during the recession (recession being a relative term).
Hmm apparently I'm not nearly on as solid ground as I thought with regard to this. I've been in the States for 11 years and apparently still have a UK/Euro bias.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession#Definition
In the United States, the Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is generally seen as the authority for dating US recessions. The NBER defines an economic recession as: "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales."[5] Almost universally, academics, economists, policy makers, and businesses defer to the determination by the NBER for the precise dating of a recession's onset and end.
In the United Kingdom, recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP.[6][7] The exact same recession definition apply for all member states of the European Union.
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#36I was a high school athlete. I wrestled on a top-tier team, played football, and ran cross-country after a knee-injury temporarily disallowed me from football. The financial impact of high school sports aren't the issue. The real issue is their impact on high school culture. School sports, especially the big, spectator friendly, fast-twitch muscle oriented sports of football, basketball, and baseball, send a big mess…
I'm kind of torn. Played HS sports. And I agree 100% with what you're saying. The US glorifies athletics in an unbalanced way. To quote Bill James http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2011/03/shak... Our society is very, very good at developing certain types of skills and certain types of genius. We are fantastically good at identifying and developing athletic skills—better than we are, really, at almost a…
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#37I was a high school athlete. I wrestled on a top-tier team, played football, and ran cross-country after a knee-injury temporarily disallowed me from football. The financial impact of high school sports aren't the issue. The real issue is their impact on high school culture. School sports, especially the big, spectator friendly, fast-twitch muscle oriented sports of football, basketball, and baseball, send a big mess…
Sports are good, but I agree: get them the fuck out of academic institutions. They have no place there. The counter example is that sports are linked (hitstorically) with (very) successful Academic Institutions. The notion that "they have no place there" is historically way off the mark. [Edit: Examples] [1] In 1815, Eton College documented its football [soccer] rules, the first football code to be written down anywh…
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#38I was a high school athlete. I wrestled on a top-tier team, played football, and ran cross-country after a knee-injury temporarily disallowed me from football. The financial impact of high school sports aren't the issue. The real issue is their impact on high school culture. School sports, especially the big, spectator friendly, fast-twitch muscle oriented sports of football, basketball, and baseball, send a big mess…
Sports are good, but I agree: get them the fuck out of academic institutions. They have no place there. The counter example is that sports are linked (hitstorically) with (very) successful Academic Institutions. The notion that "they have no place there" is historically way off the mark. [Edit: Examples] [1] In 1815, Eton College documented its football [soccer] rules, the first football code to be written down anywh…
That's not a counter-example because you have cause and effect backwards. It's not that sports make the academic institution successful. Rather, successful academic institutions a) receive a ton of funding and can allocate budget for sports and b) their popularity helps them attract talented athletes.
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#39Every dollar spent on art classes or chess club is also a dollar not spent on math, but few are suggesting those endeavors aren't worthwhile. Sports are a big target, but they're a big target because they're wildly popular and a huge part of the culture in many U.S. locales. Do you think youth football, soccer or baseball would go away if schools stopped funding them? Public schools are, for better and worse, one of…
The standard model for eligibility for scholastically sponsored sports at the high school level is wholly dependent upon were the child lives. Thus High School athletes typically are not free to choose a team which best meets their individual needs.
If the coach basketball coach has a bias against atheists [and in plenty of public schools team prayer is regular and expected] or there is depth at their position or the program simply operates on a seniors-get-first-priority basis, the player is not free to move on.*
In other words, public school sports are largely organized around exclusive geographic franchise rights and there are extensive rules to prevent playing for whom one chooses and severe penalties for doing so by circumventing those rules.
Furthermore, many high school athletic associations restrict how, where, and with whom a player may play in the off season - e.g. by limiting the number of players from the high school team who may play on a club basketball team together during the off season [and that's without considering restrictions on their ability to monetize their athletic fame or talent].
* NCAA rules also severely restrict player movement at the college level - while coaches may switch teams every season.