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Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by kleiba »

kunai wrote: post #20

I run BSD on all of my desktop boxes, but I have not found any way to run it on a laptop. It just doesn't seem feasible; there are just so many mobile drivers that are missing. Has anyone else had any luck with getting FreeBSD to work on a laptop, or is Linux still the de-facto?

Yes, I'd be interested to learn more from experienced laptop users as well. Especially, how does BSD do in some areas that Linux still struggles sometimes, such as e.g.:

- suspend/resume - power consumption/battery life - multiple monitor support - wifi drivers - etc.

Does anyone have some experience with these (and other) points and would like to comment?

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by rwmj »

gonzo wrote: post #29
lcampbell wrote: post #3

The What's New for FreeBSD 10 wiki page[1] linked in the reply has more details (though it doesn't necessarily indicate what will make the cut). The interesting bits to me are the merging of VPS support[2] which, last I read was a patchset against the 7 or 8 kernel. The seamless migration of virtualized envs seemed like a pipe dream at the time, I can't wait to play around with it (if it makes the cut). Not to mentio…

it's likely to make the cut, given that it's pretty damned stable. virio will be huge.

Virtio is excellent news, and I'm glad to see they've implemented virtio-scsi which is just in every way much better than the old virtio-blk (although they've implemented that too).

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by rwmj »

Can anyone tell me more about the hypervisor (http://bhyve.org/)? The design looks extremely similar to KVM, so I don't understand why they didn't just implement the KVM ioctls, on the basis that they would be able to run all the existing userspace (ie. qemu).

The problem with implementing a similar-but-different kernel API is that you've either got to persuade qemu to implement your API as well as KVM, or you have to rewrite the whole of qemu (a massive job).

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by cperciva »

a--b wrote: post #6

I've had a long standing question about FreeBSD and ports/portsnap: does/how does FreeBSD prevent against bad mirrors or MITM attacks?

The portsnap buildbox checks out the ports tree over an encrypted and authenticated pipe to the central SVN server. It then packages up the ports tree and signs the result before uploading those bits to the portsnap mirrors.

The portsnap client has hash of the signing public key (in /etc/portsnap.conf, where it was placed during the install process) and uses that to check the validity of the bits it downloads from a portsnap mirror.

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by D9u »

kunai wrote: post #20

I run BSD on all of my desktop boxes, but I have not found any way to run it on a laptop. It just doesn't seem feasible; there are just so many mobile drivers that are missing. Has anyone else had any luck with getting FreeBSD to work on a laptop, or is Linux still the de-facto?

I ran FreeBSD on my Acer Aspire One ZG5 netbook for nearly a year before I got a new laptop. The one thing that wasn't working in 9.1 was suspend/resume/hibernate.

Hopefully the suspend/resume issue will be rectified in 10.0.

I haven't tried FreeBSD on my new laptop yet, as it is equipped with the BCM 4313 Wireless adaptor, and I'm not ready to fool with that just yet...

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by hannibal5 »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #17

quick summary for the impatient: - drop GCC for CLANG. - introduce VPS (more virtualised approach to jails) - introduce bhyve (native hypervisor on common standards) - replace BIND - Can be run on raspberry pi - major speed ups in SMP, and networking FreeBSD Is taking a fairly big leap forward in its sweet spot of the workhorse of the data farm. BSD has always had great jails virtualisation support (it's what LXC or…

What is the status of ZFS? I have been running Solaris for years only because ZFS is so incredibly good as fileserver for mid sized company and for personal use.

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by cperciva »

gonzo wrote: post #30
profquail wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD 10 is also going to have much-improved support for Xen [1][2] and newly-added support for Hyper-V [3]. I'd love to see AWS and Azure support first-class FreeBSD instances. (You can currently run FreeBSD instances using cperciva's AMIs [4], but that's not the same as Amazon supporting FreeBSD in the same way they support Linux). [1]: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-xen/2013-June/001... [2]: http://w…

http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/11/aws-marketplace-additiona... edit: we're about to launch pfSense on EC2, too.

Can you send me an email about this? I like to keep track of how FreeBSD/EC2 is being used and I might be able to help you.

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by cperciva »

profquail wrote: post #18
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #17

quick summary for the impatient: - drop GCC for CLANG. - introduce VPS (more virtualised approach to jails) - introduce bhyve (native hypervisor on common standards) - replace BIND - Can be run on raspberry pi - major speed ups in SMP, and networking FreeBSD Is taking a fairly big leap forward in its sweet spot of the workhorse of the data farm. BSD has always had great jails virtualisation support (it's what LXC or…

FreeBSD 10 is also going to have much-improved support for Xen [1][2] and newly-added support for Hyper-V [3]. I'd love to see AWS and Azure support first-class FreeBSD instances. (You can currently run FreeBSD instances using cperciva's AMIs [4], but that's not the same as Amazon supporting FreeBSD in the same way they support Linux). [1]: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-xen/2013-June/001... [2]: http://w…

You can currently run FreeBSD instances using cperciva's AMIs, but that's not the same as Amazon supporting FreeBSD in the same way they support Linux.

The only "lack of support" which concerns me is the fact that on older EC2 instance types HVM (which FreeBSD uses) is only available by paying for a Windows license. I wouldn't want Amazon to start publishing their own "FreeBSD" images -- those should be provided by the project.

Re: FreeBSD 10.0 Alpha 1 now available

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Post by sgt »

lcampbell wrote: post #3

The What's New for FreeBSD 10 wiki page[1] linked in the reply has more details (though it doesn't necessarily indicate what will make the cut). The interesting bits to me are the merging of VPS support[2] which, last I read was a patchset against the 7 or 8 kernel. The seamless migration of virtualized envs seemed like a pipe dream at the time, I can't wait to play around with it (if it makes the cut). Not to mentio…

bhyve seems very interesting - is there any mention of IO and CPU throttling ? I want to be able to at least have rudimentary control of how many CPU cycles a VM is allowed to use, when competing with other VMs for the same CPU cycles and resources.
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