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City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

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Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#31

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> That's all well and good, but when I need to stream music instantly Grooveshark has my back--no fee, no sign-in, no bullshit. You're completely missing the point. It's irrelevant that you can get music for free, because it's not produced for free. It costs money to produce music and to arrange it to be available on Amazon or iTunes or where ever . It's not unreasonable to expect you to pay for music. I don't mean t…

And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit , because they just want to listen to music . Look, I'll happily debate intellectual property structures and incentives and all the rest, but the thing--the big elephant in the room--is that everybody just wants to be able to push a button and get music. At the end of the day, the core relationship is between the artist and the listener--everything else, be it recording or…

> And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit, because they just want to listen to music.

I do realize that people are selfish and just want everything for free, and that computers & the Internet enable them to circumvent having to pay for music.

That doesn't change anything about my point, though.

Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced? Again, it costs money to produce music and to make it available for purchase. I've downloaded music, just like everyone else, but as a genuine music lover, I've also happily paid for some 200 - 300 CDs back in the day, and those comprise roughly 95% of all the music I listen to.

Do you get it? It's alright to pay for music. It's downright expected by anyone producing it. There is no free lunch. There aren't many things of real value that you can expect to get for free. Open-source software is a rare exception, but that doesn't really apply on the desktop, so.. yeah. Think about this stuff. You need to see beyond yourself.

Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#33
Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It's a Seductive Mirage

The distorting and confusing term did not become common by accident.

The term “intellectual property” is at best a catch-all to lump together disparate laws. Nonlawyers who hear one term applied to these various laws tend to assume they are based on a common principle and function similarly.

Nothing could be further from the case. These laws originated separately, evolved differently, cover different activities, have different rules, and raise different public policy issues.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html

Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit , because they just want to listen to music . Look, I'll happily debate intellectual property structures and incentives and all the rest, but the thing--the big elephant in the room--is that everybody just wants to be able to push a button and get music. At the end of the day, the core relationship is between the artist and the listener--everything else, be it recording or…

> And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit, because they just want to listen to music. I do realize that people are selfish and just want everything for free, and that computers & the Internet enable them to circumvent having to pay for music. That doesn't change anything about my point, though. Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced ? Again,…

What I think you're missing is people don't believe them not paying for music causes harm. Even if they did, I suspect a large number of them simply won't care enough to pay.

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#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit , because they just want to listen to music . Look, I'll happily debate intellectual property structures and incentives and all the rest, but the thing--the big elephant in the room--is that everybody just wants to be able to push a button and get music. At the end of the day, the core relationship is between the artist and the listener--everything else, be it recording or…

> And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit, because they just want to listen to music. I do realize that people are selfish and just want everything for free, and that computers & the Internet enable them to circumvent having to pay for music. That doesn't change anything about my point, though. Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced ? Again,…

>Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced?

No, I don't realize that. The overwhelming majority of music never makes any money because making money isn't the point. Making money is the point for a small contingent of entrenched players who carved out a market for themselves decades ago and are now seeing it disrupted. Far more artists fear obscurity and irrelevance than could ever fear piracy. Any residual coin they make due to any eventual popularity is just icing on the cake.

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So, the police should only be getting involved in copyright infringement when done as trade, right? right? They seem to be keeping that bit quiet. See section 198 of the relevant law, which is clear about the need for business to be involved for a criminal offence. ( http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf ) See section 7 ( http://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law ) - where they don't mention "tradin…

Based on the initial arrests made by this unit, it would appear the target remains commercial IP infringement: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/sep/13/police-intellectu...

Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#37

Looks like the Brits haven't changed much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Act

I really have no clue what your point is here...

The first link concerns a small group protesting against increased automation...this has happened in practically every place that has had manufacturing...

The second concerns road safety acts, although they sound ludicrous by todays standards, served as an important step in the transition from horses to automobiles - in a country which had been relying on horses for transport for atleast 1000 years prior.

Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#38
post #14

Wow, that was fast. Just a day ago the UK PM, David Cameron, appointed an ex-music industry executive as his "IP advisor" - http://www.managingip.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=3254862

The UK (and maybe everywhere else?) corporate music people have a lot of very old industry insiders who think music can't be produced without studios (they "provide value," after all), think the internet is a fad, and think all real music should be sold on physical media.

Re: City of London Police Launch Intellectual Property Crime Unit

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit , because they just want to listen to music . Look, I'll happily debate intellectual property structures and incentives and all the rest, but the thing--the big elephant in the room--is that everybody just wants to be able to push a button and get music. At the end of the day, the core relationship is between the artist and the listener--everything else, be it recording or…

> And I'm telling you that nobody gives a shit, because they just want to listen to music. I do realize that people are selfish and just want everything for free, and that computers & the Internet enable them to circumvent having to pay for music. That doesn't change anything about my point, though. Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced ? Again,…

>Do you realize that if music producers can't make a satisfactory profit, then music will just not be produced?

I cringe whenever I hear someone express this sentiment, it's the equivalent of the nuclear option. Do you really think these companies are just going to get frustrated, pack up their toys and go home? No, of course not. It's the same reason I don't buy into these "starving artist" sob stories: no one can escape market forces. The fact of the matter is, that business landscape is extremely competitive and typically requires a large initial investment. It's always been this way. The one force that seems to be an equalizer is technology in general getting cheaper and cheaper, NOT the protectionism known as copyright.

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