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Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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There are a lot of people who don't know what this is like; as someone who used to regularly experience this, I'd like to share some of my experience.

I have been in real situations that legitimately threatened my life and safety, and sleep paralysis consistently gave me comparable levels of stress and fear in each episode.

Imagine having a bad nightmare, so bad that you wake up from it. But when you wake up, your eyes are open and you cannot move. You see things that your mind logically knows cannot actually be there, but they are real for you. The REM dream state continues, overlapping reality.

In one case I woke up one my side to a large, dimly lit figure on the side of the bed, staring at me with red eyes. It just stared at me, while I physically felt something at the bottom of the bed dragging my body off. I couldn't move or even shift my head.

I was aware that I was awake, that this wasn't a dream anymore, but that this sort of paranormal situation should't be happening. I couldn't move, couldn't struggle - then the thing staring at me unhinged its jaws wider than should be humanly possible and screamed at me at the top of its lungs. It sounded like a human mixed with the shrill cry of a velociraptor from Jurassic Park.

I just remember trying to yell but not making noise, and feeling like I was drowning. I knew I was awake but the supernatural sense of wrongness was almost more terrifying than the hallucination.

Then, after what felt like minutes of struggling to breath, and the figure almost eating me, it all vanished, and I shook my body so violently I threw myself off the bed (seriously). I think I actually ran to the lights, turned them on and sat shuddering on my bed in the blanket for a while.

It's no joke. I used to regularly have these, and I sympathize with anyone who has had them. They're primarily caused by stress and anxiety (and have a high incidence in people with PTSD). It's not like a nightmare where you can convince yourself it wasn't real, because the things I hallucinated were as real to me as the lamp and nightstand.

Obviously I should say I didn't consume anything the night before. It's almost debilitating, and caused me insomnia for quite a while.

It was hard to describe to people - they are not the same things as night terrors. I would talk to people about it and they would say it was a bad nightmare. But it felt so real, it was like that scene from the Matrix with Neo and the bug.

Afterwards, details were always fully lucid and clear, and never became fuzzy. I eventually realized that the level of obsession I would get into when trying to get people to understand that it wasn't just a nightmare mirrored the hysterical reactions you would see from characters in Nightmare on Elm Street or the Exorcist. I never really believed in things like alien abduction, but I can fully understand why repeated exposure to sleep paralysis would cause someone to seriously question reality.

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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I experienced sleep paralysis for several years before finding out that it was a phenomenon that happened to other people. Less than 5% of those occurrences were hallucinogenic with extremely vivid hallucinations. Often the hallucinations involved a frightening but oddly archetypal witch hissing in my face. Later, when I learned of the phenomenon I was both relieved (to know I wasn't alone) but also terrified that ot…

I've had a demonic child standing across the room, a calm and unfrightening peasant sitting next to me, a woman watching me, and the girl from the ring standing nearby. The most terrifying one by far was the demonic child. I don't remember seeing any witches.

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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There are a lot of people who don't know what this is like; as someone who used to regularly experience this, I'd like to share some of my experience. I have been in real situations that legitimately threatened my life and safety, and sleep paralysis consistently gave me comparable levels of stress and fear in each episode. Imagine having a bad nightmare, so bad that you wake up from it. But when you wake up, your ey…

Ughh. Been there, done that. Thankfully I haven't experienced it since I was a young teenager. You are right about the whole thing being as real, or even more real than reality. It is almost a primal feeling of reality if you get what I mean.

I don't know about you, but for me even thinking about these episodes has me a bit on edge remembering them. Given that I think about 20 years have passed since the last time I had one, that just goes to show how significant they can be.

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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Unrelated, but interesting: > That is to say there isn’t pain in the conventional sense; as CO2 goes up past critical levels, in the absence of fear or panic, the body will try breathing harder or faster and, eventually, you’ll pass out. This is why most people drown. They panic and aspire water, long before they reach critical O2 levels and pass out. It's possible to train and control the instinct to breath though.…

you'll be free-diving like a champion

Note that this can be dangerous while free-diving. You are essentially temporarily disabling your body's CO₂ buildup alarm thresholds, which is a proxy for too little O₂. So you need to take care to make sure that you don't run out of O₂ without noticing while under 30 feet of water, possibly while weights.

The Wikipedia page on shallow-water blackouts¹ has a nice little diagram illustrating the issue. I don't know enough about freediving and O₂ consumption to really have any clue about the margins of safety typically are, but it certainly seems like something worth understanding before messing around with too much.

¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shallow_water_blackout

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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Having suffered from this before I can say this: sleep paralysis is absolutely terrifying. Whenever this occurs there is a small, rational part of your brain that tells you that nothing is wrong but this is drowned out by the absolute certainty that something or someone is just about get to you and you can't even move to defend yourself. It's a very primal fear unlike any other I've experienced and I find interesting…

I've only had sleep paralysis a couple times and I agree that it is AWFUL. I felt like someone was standing in the room with me and was (irrationally) terrified. I lucid dream far more often, probably once a week. I agree that it's nowhere near as frightening but I find it to be unpleasant as well. It's not very fun to stay dreaming when I know I'm awake. It's funny but the movie Inception really helped me with my lu…

I've got a few pretty reliable lucid-dream indicators too, but I'm always too afraid to actually take advantage of them, just in case I'm actually not really dreaming. I wish I could fly in my dreams; that'd be a good safe "this is definitely a dream" indicator.

For me, it's mostly that feeling of wanting to run but not being able to make my legs work properly. Which, from what I understand, is due to some of the same brain chemistry that contributes to sleep paralysis.

I've only experienced something like sleep paralysis a few times, and I think it must have been a very mild version of it -- just a couple seconds of "wait a sec, my body isn't moving when I want it to!" and then it goes away.

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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post #29

I am reasonably sure that many of the people who believe they have been abducted by aliens (or seen them in their room with them) have probably just experienced sleep paralysis. I say this knowing that when I was younger I had a few episodes of it that still haunt me to this day. I can remember at least one episode where I woke up into this state to a black tall figure essentially in my face.. giant eyes and the whol…

I agree and have thought the same thing. When I got sleep paralysis in my teens I had the terror feeling and had the feeling of a ghost in my room.

The only time I was able to relax during an episode, I had the experience of moving out of my body. If it is possible to think that with the brain in a state of sleep paralysis then it could be possible at other times too.

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

#38
Have had this experience periodically for most of my life, although more so during my teens and twenties (41 now, happens maybe 10 times per year).

Imagine waking up and not being able to move anything but the tip of your left pinky; furthermore, you're not in your bed but in some kind of nether twilight limbo that has nothing to do with time as we know it in waking life.

So, that's the starting point, basically awake in a coffin. Rarely I've been able to relax into the experience and fall back asleep, but more often it's been the herculean struggle to migrate the movement of that pinky to the hand, to the forearm, upper arm, and finally, somehow, roll over on my side and wake up.

As to its origins, not sure. Perhaps it's preparation for the final sleep, who knows; if so, still work to be done here ;-)

Re: Being Ridden by the Witch: Sleep Paralysis Is the Greatest Nightmare

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post #35

Unrelated, but interesting: > That is to say there isn’t pain in the conventional sense; as CO2 goes up past critical levels, in the absence of fear or panic, the body will try breathing harder or faster and, eventually, you’ll pass out. This is why most people drown. They panic and aspire water, long before they reach critical O2 levels and pass out. It's possible to train and control the instinct to breath though.…

you'll be free-diving like a champion Note that this can be dangerous while free-diving. You are essentially temporarily disabling your body's CO₂ buildup alarm thresholds, which is a proxy for too little O₂. So you need to take care to make sure that you don't run out of O₂ without noticing while under 30 feet of water, possibly while weights. The Wikipedia page on shallow-water blackouts¹ has a nice little diagram…

This exercise shouldn't be done underwater. This is an exercise for being aware of the diaphragm reflex, to go thru the sensations without panicking, which helps you to stay relaxed and develop a proper routine while diving.

By relaxing and exhaling you post-pone CO2 saturation as much as possible, but it still happens before O2 deprivation (it's only a problem when you reach Here's some great footage of a native from Philippines spearfishing the old way, showing a lot of self-control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDspP4BhlTw

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