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Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

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Interesting that HN keeps killing threads on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6360328 A stubborn refusal to confront the problem is what helps these attitudes fester.

Probably a combination of fatigue and not wanting to deal with the toxicity these type of threads tend to be utterly soaked in. "Confronting the problem" is hard in the company of reasoned discussion and nigh-impossible in the face of extremists.

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And that's why I flagged it. Not because I'm some horrible sexist, or because I want women to fail, but because I don't want HN turning into Tumblr or SRS. On top of all that, they also tend to be the worst kind of predictable and boring - i.e. the complete polar opposite of what great HN content is. No thanks.

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Commented earlier on another Women In Tech thread (seems to be the meme of the day). The question is not "Why are there so few women in IT?", it's "Why are so many men in IT such jerks?"

At the risk of not contributing anything but a negative comment, I feel like saying the latter is as damaging if not more so than the former. Broad generalizations which assume something which I think is fundamentally untrue (aside from whatever the core causes of the gender discrepancies are) do not serve to assist the situation. I've met plenty of nice guys in tech (more than assholes) and plenty of asshole women in tech. I think the problem (And, to be frank, I'm not sure calling it a problem is the best term, at the risk of attracting some ire) is far more complex than that.

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post #9

So, this has to be said. These fucktards are the people representing our profession on NPR. NPR doesn't run stories about the other apps presented at TechCrunch Disrupt. The public won't here about that, or really, much of the cool tech that goes on. They'll hear about this, and that's what they'll remember. Why the hell doesn't someone go up on that stage and kick those idiots off? Who's the goddamn moderator that i…

The moderators and many people in the room found the presentations funny. It wasn't until later when they tried explaining their behaviour to their mothers that they even began to understand the problems with what occurred.

It should be noted that the two moderators issued a "what the hell were you thinking?" statement and apology immediately after the hack was presented.

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I consider my profession fantastic, with a lot of beautiful and exceptionally smart people. I haven't encountered this nearly as much. It must be happening more in Silicon Valley and NY more, but generally I can't see sexism as a part of culture in our profession. I am in Chicago if that matters, as a consultant I changed a lot of companies.

On other hand, developers, both male and those few females are not the most eloquent people, however women were always welcomed, especially developers.

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> TechCrunch issued an apology Sunday for the "two misogynistic presentations," app is sexist yeah, but how is looking at tits misogynistic ?

I found the apps to be puerile, offensive, and inappropriate. That said neither was sexist or misogynistic. It's not like they were called "How Dumb Was She?" or something.

We've come around to the idea that anything crude is sexist and misogynistic and this just isn't the case. That concept in and of itself is sexist, because we (men) assume that women are too delicate to handle this stuff. We haven't stopped telling the dirty jokes at work, we just look over our shoulders to make sure the women aren't around before we do. Which creates an environment of exclusion.

Instead we should just stop telling the dirty jokes at work, because they aren't appropriate for work.

These jerks should never have even CONSIDERED presenting this app, because it's offensive. Offensive to women, men, people with devout religious beliefs, investors who took the time to listen to these presentations, and the list goes on.

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On top of being embarrassed for doing this on stage, these people should be embarrassed for presenting such a fucking dumb idea for a hackathon. On an 100% unrelated note, Adria Richards has transitioned from "Technology Evangelist" to "Programmer"?

Per their apology, the two guys had a different idea for a hack (hence the name issue) that didn't pan out, hence their Hail Mary in order to get free Disrupt tickets. (You must present to get a ticket.)

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Best comment on the article from Bob Costas...

For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social stigmatization, while some actively participated and reinforced the stigmatization, women in general didn't feel comfortable being in or pursuing a career in a field that garnered such negative attention for a very long time.

To this day people in the tech field are often marginalized and in order to attract women to the field companies like Google have to produce promo videos that try to convince women to join the industry by suggesting that there aren't that many weirdos in the industry and that most people in the industry are "normal" as opposed to celebrating the beautiful weird male personalities that achieved great things because of their weirdness not in spite of it and helping women realize and embrace the male nerd ethic the went into building this new world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Notice the attention given to showering and how they gloss over the fact that in reality, the current leaders in the tech world didn't bath regularly when they were building their companies. Bill Gates comes to mind.

The reason why you get push-back from males from the industry when it comes to involving more women in tech isn't because they have some "jock, locker room, and frat" mentality that women are somehow mentally inferior to males and aren't capable of understanding tech. Actually, women in science and engineering classes at major universities tend to be the top students in those classes. Its because they don't think women in general have the fortitude nor the willingness to not shower for days and be content with not going outside while living off cold pizza. While most tech experiences these days don't involve this sort of lifestyle, the anti-social behavior and culture that are associated with the lifestyle still exist and instead of women decrying these prevailing attitudes in tech they should embrace these traits.

Case in point, Elon Musk's ex-wife. Instead of dealing with his borderline autism for what it was, in her blog she attacked him being arrogant and uncaring. Elon Musk is a weirdo and natural introvert who forces himself to be an extrovert to be able to do the interesting and unique things he wants and needs to do in life.

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So, this has to be said. These fucktards are the people representing our profession on NPR. NPR doesn't run stories about the other apps presented at TechCrunch Disrupt. The public won't here about that, or really, much of the cool tech that goes on. They'll hear about this, and that's what they'll remember. Why the hell doesn't someone go up on that stage and kick those idiots off? Who's the goddamn moderator that i…

They had moderators who apparently decided this didn't need stopping. The problem, unfortunately, is bigger than you think.

That said, I agree. I don't want to have to apologize for my profession.

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