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Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by kedar5 » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:30 AM UTC

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Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by jff » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:35 AM UTC

Rhapso wrote: post #22

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #2

Dungeons and web developers.

Sometimes I wonder if I still count as a developer because I don't do web tech.

Yes. Oh god yes. Don't let the HN world get you down, there's more out there than HTML and Javascript.

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by jessedhillon » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:43 AM UTC

natural219 wrote: post #20

Aww. I guess not knowing stored procedures prevents me from obtaining Web Development mastery. Fair enough, I suppose.

Yeah, there should be a step before that involves joins, using composite primary keys and foreign key constraints, views ... just some things that I would say are a step above "I wrote a model file and my ORM issued the appropriate DDLs"

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by contingencies » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:55 AM UTC

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #2

Dungeons and web developers.

Further observation: not one mention of maintenance or architecture, critical for all nontrivial or non 'fire and forget' projects ... very much reflects the fact that this was built by a web agency, whose culture centers around disposable, prettified projects with easily invoiceable deadlines.

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by contingencies » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:56 AM UTC

jff wrote: post #32

Rhapso wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I wonder if I still count as a developer because I don't do web tech.

Yes. Oh god yes. Don't let the HN world get you down, there's more out there than HTML and Javascript.

return(false);

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by eruditely » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:59 AM UTC

vyrotek wrote: post #15

If this is the skill tree, is doing a startup a raid?

Bravo.

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by thatthatis » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 4:04 AM UTC

icambron wrote: post #25

It's very cool, but some complaints: - I shouldn't have to know advanced database management to do AJAX or user authentication. Seems like a dependency bug. - The tree emphasizes jQuery effects to an odd degree (three levels) and it doesn't depend on JS mastery. Seems obscure and out of place. - There's too much specificity in a lot of the descriptions and links. I'd focus less on tools and more on skills. For exampl…

Agree with the dependency bug and the jquery effects.

Disagree that the specificity is bad. If someone doesn't already have the skill, the specificity helps. I'd suggest something like "Can build complete highly interactive SPAs with frameworks like Ember.js..."

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by andrewb » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 4:06 AM UTC

lifeformed wrote: post #29

What if a company implemented this in their workplace? They would have different classes for general positions in the company, and you could get a skill by passing a rigorous test. Each skill point would get you a raise. You get promotions or change roles based on your class specialization and level. I know, I know, it'd be a disaster. But maybe there could be lower stakes at hand to encourage employees to learn new…

I don't agree that'd be a disaster, I personally like the idea or at least something similar.

Essentially it's about basing promotions & pay based off meritocracy. There could be concerns about the Peter Principle [0] but at a high level, it appeals to me to work in an environment where people can "prove" they have the skills, instead of talking the talk or simply being the oldest employee.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by enraged_camel » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 5:18 AM UTC

It would be pretty awesome if they created a fully editable/customizable version of this talent tree. I would totally pay for it.

Re: Dungeons and Developers

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Post by flipstewart » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 5:58 AM UTC

icambron wrote: post #25

It's very cool, but some complaints: - I shouldn't have to know advanced database management to do AJAX or user authentication. Seems like a dependency bug. - The tree emphasizes jQuery effects to an odd degree (three levels) and it doesn't depend on JS mastery. Seems obscure and out of place. - There's too much specificity in a lot of the descriptions and links. I'd focus less on tools and more on skills. For exampl…

> "The tree emphasizes jQuery effects to an odd degree (three levels) and it doesn't depend on JS mastery."

Do you find that use of jQuery requires a mastery of JavaScript? There was a time when I could use jQuery(especially jQuery plugins) but didn't have a clue about how to do very basic things with JavaScript.