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Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by svantana »

sspiff wrote: post #21
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #14

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

If lower end smartphones adopt this kind of camera (which I think is unlikely) then point-and-shoot cameras could have a problem. However, comparing a $600 iPhone to a $70 point-and-shoot is not really relevant.

Well you're probably gonna need a phone anyway, so the question is rather why someone would pay $70 for an extra device rather than $70 extra for a phone with a good camera.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by Steko »

T-zex wrote: post #25

Nokia designers should be proud of themselves for setting a colorful plastic case trend for the smart phone market and even influencing the iPhone.

Apple's following the exact same playbook they wrote with the imac and ipod where they focussed heavily on the primary form factor for several years and then threw open the gates to colors.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3017050/untold-stories-inside-ap...

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by threeseed »

sspiff wrote: post #21
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #14

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

If lower end smartphones adopt this kind of camera (which I think is unlikely) then point-and-shoot cameras could have a problem. However, comparing a $600 iPhone to a $70 point-and-shoot is not really relevant.

Since when were all point and shoot cameras $70 ?

Many of the Micro 4/3s and higher end P&S like Sony RX100 are relatively pricey and could find the iPhone snapping at their heels. The difference in quality could easily be acceptable given the benefits of an internet connected device e.g. Facebook, Instagram, Flickr.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by threeseed »

molecule wrote: post #2

> Take a look at apple.com today and note which new iPhone appears first the 5C, not the 5S. Which phone did they show a commercial for? The 5C. Which one will have a higher profit margin for Apple? The 5C.

The 5C is not about a higher profit margin for Apple. It's about maintaining their current profit margin whilst offering carriers a bigger incentive to bundle and sell and their phones.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by sspiff »

runn1ng wrote: post #30
sspiff wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If lower end smartphones adopt this kind of camera (which I think is unlikely) then point-and-shoot cameras could have a problem. However, comparing a $600 iPhone to a $70 point-and-shoot is not really relevant.

just a note (for you and for everyone else): stop whining about downvotes. sometimes you are downvoted. it happens. but more often than not someone upvotes you again, and then it just look whiny, espescially if you are second comment on the page (as you are now).

Point taken, removed the whiny bit.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by Slackwise »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #14

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

> Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

My friend brought a cheap point-and-shoot camera to last New Years Party. He had pictures from a family get-together with kids throwing leaves up in the air, taking multiple snapshots during. With the fast shutter mode, you could see individual leaves and zoom in on them. I'm certain the iPhone 5 nor any other camera phone cannot come even remotely close to that.

Then there's the low light pictures I tested during the party. None of the cameraphones could get a decent shot, but the point-and-shoot was amazing.

Sure, if you take pictures in ideal conditions with a cameraphone, it starts to get hard to tell, but the reality is most pictures are taken with low lighting, or too much motion, and I've yet to see a single cameraphone be even minimally useable in these conditions.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by ttflee »

r00fus wrote: post #8

The 5C is important for one big reason: China. I expect the "unlocked" price won't reflect the kind of subsidies and discounts that China Mobile and Apple can give to make it affordable for their customers.

Reality check:

1. The spec published today is not suggesting that iPhone 5c/s would support TD-SCDMA networks which CMCC is bound to due to regulation reasons. And LTE-TDD is light year ahead for CMCC.

2. A difference of mere 800 CNY in price between 5c and 5s is not attractive enough to those who can afford 5,000+ CNY(, i.e. the iPhone 5s) in China. And in the past, smugglers carrying duty-free iPhones from Hong Kong in the first few months of sales may reduce the high price caused by the tariff and VAT. Now, Hong Kong is NOT even in the initial list!

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by threeseed »

T-zex wrote: post #25

Nokia designers should be proud of themselves for setting a colorful plastic case trend for the smart phone market and even influencing the iPhone.

Nokia's designer and product managers have nothing to be proud of in its history.

They let companies like Apple, Samsung etc come in and dominate what was their industry to own.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by drill_sarge »

threeseed wrote: post #38
T-zex wrote: post #25

Nokia designers should be proud of themselves for setting a colorful plastic case trend for the smart phone market and even influencing the iPhone.

Nokia's designer and product managers have nothing to be proud of in its history. They let companies like Apple, Samsung etc come in and dominate what was their industry to own.

I have a Nokia 3210 as backup phone which still works flawless today. Or an E-7, still working. Most of the other phones I had went defunct at some point or the non-replaceable battery went dead and new phone was cheaper than getting it replaced and so on. Thats something to be proud of. Ok, maybe not for the product managers ;)

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Post by Steko »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #14

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

Point and shoots are already dying and that handwriting has been on the wall for years. The interesting thing is that hundreds of millions of people having great smartphone cameras has created a boom in photography enthusiasts and DSLR and other high end cameras markets have benefited.
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