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How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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Google (and by extension Jeff Dean) have made their greatest contribution in that they successfully popularized niche computer science with decent implementations. I think a point that is often lost is that Google invents very little computer science; they take obscure computer science that in most cases has already been implemented somewhere and do a very good, high visibility implementation of that computer science…

This is a wonderfully-executed middlebrow dismissal. I hope pg adds it to his detection corpus ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4714217 )

Yeah. Let's teach the algorithm to hellban people who disagree that Google is awesome.

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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Hi, I'm Kenton Varda. You may remember me as the creator of Cap'n Proto and the LAN-party-optimized house.

Back in 2007, I created "Jeff Dean Facts" as a Google-internal April Fool's joke. I wasn't funny enough to write any of the jokes myself, but I created the app that let people submit "facts", and was blown away by the results.

If you like primary sources, check out my write-up from when I first talked publicly about it in January 2012:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/118187272963262049674/posts/TSDh...

Don't miss the second comment, which has a long list of top-rated "facts".

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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This is a wonderfully-executed middlebrow dismissal. I hope pg adds it to his detection corpus ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4714217 )

Yeah. Let's teach the algorithm to hellban people who disagree that Google is awesome.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I have lots of issues with Google, but dismissing what they've done because it is insufficiently new is just silly.

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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Google (and by extension Jeff Dean) have made their greatest contribution in that they successfully popularized niche computer science with decent implementations. I think a point that is often lost is that Google invents very little computer science; they take obscure computer science that in most cases has already been implemented somewhere and do a very good, high visibility implementation of that computer science…

What's odd to me is the focus on specific individuals. For one thing, why not Dean/Ghemawat facts, at least? I always hear they participate on an equal basis; or does Dean carry Ghemawat like Sherlock carries Watson?

Furthermore, when I actually read things about such universally-held geniuses, the hype often contrasts sharply with the moderate, logical introspections of the geniuses themselves. (Not always, like I vaguely recall of Nietzsche; but most often in my personal experience.) Quite often, the hype even patronizingly dismisses the person's own claims as mere humility. (As with Hume's coverage of Newton in his history of England.) And it often beats up on people who quite reasonably had issues with the person (as I hear with Socrates' spouse Xanthippe).

When one hears breathless accounts of someone's superpowers, a logical first reaction is, "Cool, how can I attain that?" I wish it were otherwise, but the hype is always misleading for this end.

As far as I can tell, it's storytelling. The hype fits in a certain dramatic constraint, like with profit-seeking movies which naturally can't portray too pedestrian a reality. In Dean's case, one of my suspicions is that US "nerd" audiences are more able to vicariously fantasize themselves as a "Jeff Dean" than a "Sanjay Ghemawat". Which, if true, would say something about the lack of imagination and homogeneity of such fantasizers.

(And maybe these people serve as mainstream characters everyone's supposed to be in awe of, but it just wouldn't fit within current society if everyone could follow their interests. Who'll serve you at the store and mop office floors?)

Anyway, sorry for the long random wondering about silly topics; clearly I'm procrastinating.

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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I think they receive a little too much credit in many cases for invention when their primary contribution has been popularization. That's being a little pedantic. Applying X for Y is definitely being inventive. That's how largely every domain works. We stand on the shoulders of giants etc.

The weakness of this contribution is often cited as the reason many types of software patents should be invalid. Putting a shiny wrapper on an old idea in an obvious but slightly different context is something upon which many software hackers would normally cast a jaundiced eye. My point was largely that e.g. MapReduce had literally been used in the HPC world for quite some time in countless variations. Something sim…

If Spanner is a "variant" than it introduced something new, an improvement. You sure are jumping through hoops trying to diminish things. Most of computer science was invented in the 50, 60s and 70s when the low hanging fruit was easy to get, now a lot of it is incremental gains. Just like the astounding pace of advances in mathematics in the 1700s/1800s/1900s can't be bested in the 00s, progress is slower as the easy stuff has been mapped out already.

Besides which, there's a difference between inventing say, Newtonian Physics, and building an interplanetary ship for human space flight. It is in the application of much of computer science to extremely large systems where most of the work is being done, and frankly, experienced gathered building the world's largest database and most trafficked site gives you insight into new ways to engineer things that you don't necessarily figure out from basic application of CS principles. I could probably design a basic bridge or house given what I learned of civil engineering, but chances are I could never design the Burj Dubai with that information.

My point is, the way Google applied things like MapReduce was based on their experience of solving web services problems. HPC hyper-computing typically looks at problems of simulation, like QED/QCD, nuclear explosions, climate, finance, oil geology, et al. The difference focus leads to different pattern of application, and there is new value created in the papers published by both sides. Google's datacenter configurations don't look anything like say, BlueGene.

And when you look at what Google is doing with machine learning, few organizations have the resources and data to pull it off. Sure, lots of people have run the algorithms before on small sets, but few actually have daily data from a billion people flowing into them.

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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I never found out if Yegge was talking about Jeff Dean here, or maybe Urs Holze:

At first it's entirely non-obvious who's responsible for Google's culture of engineering discipline: the design docs, audited code reviews, early design reviews, readability reviews, resisting introduction of new languages, unit testing and code coverage, profiling and performance testing, etc. You know. The whole gamut of processes and tools that quality engineering organizations use to ensure that code is open, readable, documented, and generally non-shoddy work.

But if you keep an eye on the emails that go out to Google's engineering staff, over time a pattern emerges: there's one superheroic dude who's keeping us all in line.

And why couldn't it be that way? Those people exist when companies start, you probably met a couple of them.

Re: How Google’s Jeff Dean became the Chuck Norris of the Internet

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> That being said, Chuck Norris is a hell of a nice guy and I wish him the best, even if he isn't a bad-ass. You must be joking. http://www.wnd.com/author/cnorris/

What has he done that you don't like? I'm not going to read through a dozen or so articles and try to guess which one you have a problem with. Going from the titles I see a lot of stuff about cancer charities, and a few articles about religion in public schools. If its the latter, he lost that battle, just like all the other Christians. I'm just going off of his personality. He makes a lot of USO appearances, and my…

He promotes hatred of and inequality for homosexuals, for a start.

http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2009/07/12/behind-chuck-norri...

http://www.queerty.com/chuck-norris-wants-to-keep-the-boy-sc...

We've reached a point in history where homophobia is at roughly the same point as racism was in the 50s and 60s. Plenty of people still espouse those hateful views...but, it's long past time for society at large to stop accepting that kind of thing as merely a "difference of opinion". Hatred of black folks is not viewed as a "difference of opinion"...it is viewed as what it is: Hatred and bigotry.

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