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Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Re: Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Post by rhizome »

omonra wrote: post #14
anu_gupta wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Shih's post on Medium. "5. 49ers No, not the football team, they’re great. I’m referring to all the girls who are obviously 4's and behave like they are 9's. Just because San Francisco has the worst Female to Male ratio in the known universe doesn’t give you the right to be a bitch all the time" What kind of real discussion can there be about sexist douchebaggery such as this?

Can a comment be sexist and true at the same time?

Since sexism is a function of (shared) subjectivity, the comment could be believed, but it wouldn't acquire a degree of truth beyond that.

Re: Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Post by omonra »

rhizome wrote: post #31
omonra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a comment be sexist and true at the same time?

Since sexism is a function of (shared) subjectivity, the comment could be believed , but it wouldn't acquire a degree of truth beyond that.

The OP said that 'there are a lot of women in SF who are rather plain looking but due to gender imbalance act as if they were extremely attractive'.

To me that this statement can be true or false (I've never been to SF so have no idea). It either is or it's not true.

Separately from that, one can argue 'It's sexist to grade women based on their looks and to likewise imply that attractive women can be expected to act differently than homely ones'.

Re: Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Post by rhizome »

omonra wrote: post #32
rhizome wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since sexism is a function of (shared) subjectivity, the comment could be believed , but it wouldn't acquire a degree of truth beyond that.

The OP said that 'there are a lot of women in SF who are rather plain looking but due to gender imbalance act as if they were extremely attractive'. To me that this statement can be true or false (I've never been to SF so have no idea). It either is or it's not true. Separately from that, one can argue 'It's sexist to grade women based on their looks and to likewise imply that attractive women can be expected to act…

"Plain looking" can be true or false? By what standard? It's also an opinion that the way a person acts is due to demographics. tl;dr: neither true nor false, just a belief, a value judgement.

Some people in this world would definitely say that it's not sexist to grade women on appearance, and in fact it is a value judgement held in positive regard in many parts of the world. That there is a class distinction that implies standards of behavior follows from this.

Re: Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Post by omonra »

rhizome wrote: post #33
omonra wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP said that 'there are a lot of women in SF who are rather plain looking but due to gender imbalance act as if they were extremely attractive'. To me that this statement can be true or false (I've never been to SF so have no idea). It either is or it's not true. Separately from that, one can argue 'It's sexist to grade women based on their looks and to likewise imply that attractive women can be expected to act…

"Plain looking" can be true or false? By what standard? It's also an opinion that the way a person acts is due to demographics. tl;dr: neither true nor false, just a belief, a value judgement. Some people in this world would definitely say that it's not sexist to grade women on appearance, and in fact it is a value judgement held in positive regard in many parts of the world. That there is a class distinction that im…

Right - it's a value judgement, I agree. With which one can agree or disagree (ie find it true or false - not in a axiomatic sense that 2+2=4 true, but in a 'most people find it so' true).

But the commenter who said 'it's sexist, nothing to discuss' avoids have to make that judgement. He prefers to just say 'I choose to label certain topics taboo (ie label sexist), hence avoid having to discuss them'

Re: Peter Shih Complains About the Shithole City He's Forced to Make His Millions In

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Post by anu_gupta »

omonra wrote: post #34
rhizome wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Plain looking" can be true or false? By what standard? It's also an opinion that the way a person acts is due to demographics. tl;dr: neither true nor false, just a belief, a value judgement. Some people in this world would definitely say that it's not sexist to grade women on appearance, and in fact it is a value judgement held in positive regard in many parts of the world. That there is a class distinction that im…

Right - it's a value judgement, I agree. With which one can agree or disagree (ie find it true or false - not in a axiomatic sense that 2+2=4 true, but in a 'most people find it so' true). But the commenter who said 'it's sexist, nothing to discuss' avoids have to make that judgement. He prefers to just say 'I choose to label certain topics taboo (ie label sexist), hence avoid having to discuss them'

You may want to read the entire paragraph - he concludes with this phrase - "doesn’t give you the right to be a bitch all the time". He's basically saying that he thinks attractive girls (9s) behave like bitches all the time.

This isn't about value judgements of attractiveness, nasty enough as that can be.

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