Summon the tinfoil hats!
I'm pretty sure schizophrenia or Parkinson's would be more effective. The interrogators can just pull the hat off. What you want is brain "static"
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#32This relies on an unsuspecting victim wearing a complicated nonstandard headset and then looking at a series of images / numbers slowly enough to register each of them consciously. In what world would the victim not become suspicious? (I appreciate things may change in the future, and if brain control headsets become common then a malware model (ad popups, for example) could provide a plausible vector for this attack…
It's my understanding that the headset is in fact standard:
(from the actual paper) "The experiments are implemented and tested using a Emotiv EPOC BCI device"
(from the hyperbole article) "For $200-300, you can buy an Emotiv"
In what world would the victim not become suspicious? I think this result is framed as "if BCI-controlled gaming takes off, it doesn't take much to harvest personal data from gamers".
Also, I wonder what are the implications for interrogation methods (think CIA, not local police). They didn't test what happens if the victim is actually trying to resist, maybe even if the victim has had guidance on how to resist. I would love to know.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
missing the point. This is huge. Maybe not in the way presented in the article, but nonetheless...
I absolutely agree that the technology has plenty of use cases and that the paper the article's written about presents an interesting new perspective on security. I was, however, annoyed that the article's title and opening paragraphs seem to take something relatively elementary (it's a feasibility study!) and frame it as some sort of Inception-esque mind-hacking situation. In other words: I agree about the value of…
I loved the headline. Sensationalist in a good way.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I absolutely agree that the technology has plenty of use cases and that the paper the article's written about presents an interesting new perspective on security. I was, however, annoyed that the article's title and opening paragraphs seem to take something relatively elementary (it's a feasibility study!) and frame it as some sort of Inception-esque mind-hacking situation. In other words: I agree about the value of…
I completely agree here. Good information here, and lots of potential when you think about it could be applied with other machine learning algorithms that are currently being used with "real-time fMRI". Indeed, I don't think we're far off from reducing the gap between neuronal activity and behavioral patterns, but we need to keep in mind that the brain is incredibly complex, highly variable between individuals, and m…
EEG is much easier to collect data from. Fmri needs a big machine and lots of helium, so it's impractical for daily use.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't polygraphs basically do this already?
sort of.
a polygraph measures physiological responses which are related to the EEG spike, but are a less direct measurement. As a result the polygraph is much easier to mess with by playing around with your physical state. For example you can confuse the polygraph by doing things like clenching your toes and fingers, as well as performing other jedi mind tricks.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I completely agree here. Good information here, and lots of potential when you think about it could be applied with other machine learning algorithms that are currently being used with "real-time fMRI". Indeed, I don't think we're far off from reducing the gap between neuronal activity and behavioral patterns, but we need to keep in mind that the brain is incredibly complex, highly variable between individuals, and m…
EEG is much easier to collect data from. Fmri needs a big machine and lots of helium, so it's impractical for daily use.
Perhaps it's more practical and better with temporal resolution, but it depends on how concerned you are with spatial resolution too (which EEG is quite poor with).
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#38Neat idea. The debit card pin bit does not seem feasible though, at least in a brute force setting - finding out a 6 digit pin, showing each number for 1 second, takes > 11 days in the worst case.
Couldn't you just do one digit at a time (is your first digit 1?, etc)? It would take less than a minute at 1 second per digit that way.
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#39Summon the tinfoil hats!
I'm pretty sure schizophrenia or Parkinson's would be more effective. The interrogators can just pull the hat off. What you want is brain "static"
But that is when you are specifically interrogated and know that you are. With the tinfoil hats I was referring to the ability of them to unknowingly do this to you from a distance (which I guess may work at some point...).
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#40This is an awfully contrived title for an article that could be summarized as "people can find out whether or not you recognize something shown to you by monitoring electrical activity along the scalp."
Getting close to a Bonelli reflex arc test.