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Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Talking about privacy. Why use services like Scribd ? A simple link to the pdf file hosted somewhere else would have suffice. I then can do my searches locally without them tracking exactly what I do (who views what, who searches what). SASS (Service as Software Substitute) is evil...

And even if you trust scribd isn't it just a usability nightmare or am I missing something?

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Talking about privacy. Why use services like Scribd ? A simple link to the pdf file hosted somewhere else would have suffice. I then can do my searches locally without them tracking exactly what I do (who views what, who searches what). SASS (Service as Software Substitute) is evil...

Links to PDFs are converted to scribd links. Scribd is a YCombinator company.

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Anyone still using Google services since the NSA revelations is an idiot Care to name a good alternative then? And a good way to notify hundreds of people and companies to change my address to a new one,and convince dozens of friends to stop using hangouts and use X instead?

Sure, no problem. Gmail: Self-hosted qmail or exim Google Maps: OpenStreetMap Hangouts: Jitsi Android: Firefox OS Search: Startpage Chrome: Firefox Google Drive: ownCloud

> Gmail: Self-hosted qmail or exim

Suggesting people use a self-hosted email server in place of gmail is trolling on the level of "Install Gentoo".

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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So - encrypt everything and send the keys trough snail mail? They can't read legally the mail right?

PKI specifically means you don't have to rely on secure key transfer. Encrypt everything, and post your public key on any keyserver you choose. There is very little sensitive information in a public key (though it can tie you socially to another party, in a cryptographically strong manner, for those who are concerned about such things). But the point is that an out-of-band and secure key transfer isn't required.

And what happens when your keyserver gets hit with NSL to impersonate another party? Is there something to prevent it there as infrastructure or legal?

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take "Because Google's entire business model around email is processing it to serve relevant ads next to it, which requires that they be able to read it" for $1000, Alex.

They could still do that in a secure way, client-side, if they wanted: when content is displayed in-browser, javascript could parse it, send home relevant words (on an encrypted channel), and receive relevant ads. The server would have to ensure that data is not saved, or it's anonymously aggregated right away -- you'll have to trust their word on that, but that'll always be the case. Computationally expensive, maybe…

They'd also have to do spam filtering client side, parsing the MIME to extract inline images, attachments and so on, sanitize the HTML to protected against XSS attacks, process it for full-text search, filtering into labels, auto-forwarding and really absolutely everything that happens to an email. They all involve "reading" the email.

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, no problem. Gmail: Self-hosted qmail or exim Google Maps: OpenStreetMap Hangouts: Jitsi Android: Firefox OS Search: Startpage Chrome: Firefox Google Drive: ownCloud

> Gmail: Self-hosted qmail or exim Suggesting people use a self-hosted email server in place of gmail is trolling on the level of "Install Gentoo".

Sorry, I thought this was _hacker_ news. Setting up self-hosted email is utterly trivial.

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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Anyone still using Google services since the NSA revelations is an idiot. I'd like to see them bankrupt after their betrayal of their do-no-evil and open source roots.

I still use google services. I'm conscious of what happens, much before the NSA revelations this year. I use 8.8.8.8 for DNS on some networks (for external resolution and for nagios) knowing perfectly that each request is registered and extrapolated. I use an apple macbook air for some tasks, even if I know I've no control over many privacy issues in such machine. On the other side, I've had offline networks for some…

Yes. It's worse that you don't even have ignorance as an excuse.

Re: Google says e-mail users should have no legitimate expectation of privacy

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post #36
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gmail: Self-hosted qmail or exim Suggesting people use a self-hosted email server in place of gmail is trolling on the level of "Install Gentoo".

Sorry, I thought this was _hacker_ news. Setting up self-hosted email is utterly trivial.

You said "Anyone still using Google services". I took that to mean that anyone should self-host email.
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