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Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

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Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

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Why would Apple spend the energy to fix this? They'll be happy to see developers update their apps to work with iOS7 and the sooner the better. / edit In no means am I saying that it is a good idea. I'm just saying that Apple's desires are not aligned with those of well-meaning developers here.

The early betas were missing whole APIs, and they're still fixing crashers that happen inside Apple's code. Many of the issues aren't anything the devs can do anything about.

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

#32

Can someone comment on what is going to happen when iOS 7 is released? The upgrade from 5->6 didn't break any apps by default. It appears 7 resizes all the stock controls, and this breaks tons of apps by default. Will an existing iOS6 app work unchanged in iOS 7, or will it have to be fixed.

> The upgrade from 5->6 didn't break any apps by default.

Didn't rotation API changes make certain apps not work right, particularly on the iPad?

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

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Reviews are not solely for the developer. In fact, they are there mainly for the users. They absolutely should be there for a public beta to let other users know the status of the application. What should change is the silly star rating system and they should not be calculated or even used in the review. There is way too much dependence on a 'good score' for the developer and hiding beneficial information is not a so…

It is not a public beta in any way shape or form. The only way to get the beta is to be a developer paying $99 a year to Apple. The "users" do not have iOS 7 and therefore bad reviews based on an unreleased BETA OS should not be allowed. Most of these issues aren't even something wrong with the apps. They will get fixed when the OS stops being buggy.

out of curiosity, does apple read stuart's blog or HN? there must be a better way to signal this to ios7 program management when you are signed up for beta...do they have a dev feedback option, which many devs would request the same wish...

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

#34
post #8

When a customer submits an app review from a beta iOS, that review should just be emailed directly to the developer, and not show up on any of the "official" review lists that other customers can see. That way the developer is getting feedback about potential problems with the upcoming iOS, and can fix them, but it doesn't hurt their image for the 99.9% of customers running the non-beta iOS.

Reviews are not solely for the developer. In fact, they are there mainly for the users. They absolutely should be there for a public beta to let other users know the status of the application. What should change is the silly star rating system and they should not be calculated or even used in the review. There is way too much dependence on a 'good score' for the developer and hiding beneficial information is not a so…

The issue is that developers can't really update their app just yet for a number of reasons. First of all, if you update your app now the launch image and other things may look weird on ios 6. Also things may change in ios 7 between now and the final release.

Also bear in mind that (at least up to beta 4) there were quite a lot of bugs in ios 7 that the developers couldn't do anything about.

Pretty much every app will need to be updated for ios 7. It's a real shitstorm. Apple has created a bunch of work for every ios developer and broken all existing apps, and it's not really an improvement in my opinion.

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reviews are not solely for the developer. In fact, they are there mainly for the users. They absolutely should be there for a public beta to let other users know the status of the application. What should change is the silly star rating system and they should not be calculated or even used in the review. There is way too much dependence on a 'good score' for the developer and hiding beneficial information is not a so…

The issue is that developers can't really update their app just yet for a number of reasons. First of all, if you update your app now the launch image and other things may look weird on ios 6. Also things may change in ios 7 between now and the final release. Also bear in mind that (at least up to beta 4) there were quite a lot of bugs in ios 7 that the developers couldn't do anything about. Pretty much every app wil…

While I don't disagree, they also haven't updated their design in 6 releases (and as many years). The changes mostly aren't breaking ("it looks weird/old" is better than "it's broken"), and a refresh is much needed to reenergize the ecosystem.

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

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Variant: only show reviews for the same platform, the user wrote review from. E.g. iOS7 users will see their reviews, but iOS6 users will see theirs. And developers will still be penalized if they don't fix problems by the time of iOS7 release, because reviews now will be visible for many more users. So it still incentivizes devs to be quick, but does not pollute reviews with irrelevant for iOS6 users bug reports.

That's still BS. most of the bugs are caused by the OS being beta and not the app itself. Once the new version does get released the dev gets screwed because of something he had no control over.

I have to agree. Fortunately, in my experience, we had only fixable bugs with iOS7, nothing blocking.

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reviews are not solely for the developer. In fact, they are there mainly for the users. They absolutely should be there for a public beta to let other users know the status of the application. What should change is the silly star rating system and they should not be calculated or even used in the review. There is way too much dependence on a 'good score' for the developer and hiding beneficial information is not a so…

The issue is that developers can't really update their app just yet for a number of reasons. First of all, if you update your app now the launch image and other things may look weird on ios 6. Also things may change in ios 7 between now and the final release. Also bear in mind that (at least up to beta 4) there were quite a lot of bugs in ios 7 that the developers couldn't do anything about. Pretty much every app wil…

Also because submitting a binary built with prerelease/beta tools is a guaranteed instant rejection. This should be well known for anyone running iOS 7 beta, since they're supposed to be "developers" :-/

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

#38

I suspect the reason this hasn't been corrected is because ideally only developers have beta iOS versions and are intelligent enough not to do this. Unfortunately pretending only developers have beta releases at this point is ridiculous.

I disagree in the case iOS 7 betas. iOS 6 betas spoiled us because they were so solid. iOS 7 betas 1 and 2 were basically garbage as a general release. One of our devs had to figure out how to dial into AT&T to get his voicemail until Beta 3. Apple's betas are not "Google betas" where they're pretty solid at release and keep the beta monicker until we've learned to ignore it. This round of Betas have definitely been…

I think you misunderstand, I do not think any end-users should be running beta iOS releases. It is just obvious from this problem that many are, and Apple needs to deal with the problem.

Re: Stop Allowing App Reviews From Beta iOS Versions

#39

Can someone comment on what is going to happen when iOS 7 is released? The upgrade from 5->6 didn't break any apps by default. It appears 7 resizes all the stock controls, and this breaks tons of apps by default. Will an existing iOS6 app work unchanged in iOS 7, or will it have to be fixed.

IOS7 only resizes controls built with the new iOS7 SDK. Apps build with the iOS6 sdk continue to look and work just line normal, and my guess is a lot of the crashes people are seeing are regression bugs for Apple. The latest Beta 5 fixed a ton of crashes on some apps I've been using.
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