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I'd also love anything other than anecdotal evidence from Mormons that UT or Mormons produce a disproportionately large number of businesses or entrepreneurs -- I'll happily bet on CA, NY, and FL for state entrepreneurship rates.

And you would win that bet. http://www.kauffman.org/research-and-policy/kiea-interactive... Edit: I found it interesting that the state of Utah has one of the worst bankruptcy rates in the nation, while Vermont has one of the lowest...despite being the second highest in entrepreneurship activity, and being the least religious to boot.

wow cool.

NY was surprisingly low on the entrepreneurship index to me. My guess is:

* really high absolute entrepreneurship activity, but really high population * i'm biased b/c i erroneously think of NYC as New York State

Re: Mormon Missions: Startup Accelerators?

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I would think it's fairly natural that one's belief in God comes with belief that obedience to His teachings and commandments would result in the best outcome. If one believes in Christ, specifically, then it's also natural to combine this belief with service of all kinds - not just proselyting - as the GP comment is suggesting should happen. I volunteer some of my time overseeing LDS missionary efforts in the Bay Ar…

Yes but why not just do good for the sake of good because of a belief that it will be for the benefit of all, the self included. It gives you something to believe in without having a "church" to follow and be told what to do from. That's what has always struck me negatively, at least from Christianity. When I went to Church, the only reason they told me to follow the commandments or accept Christ was so that I can go…

One of the goals of the Mormon Church is to teach people "what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come" [Introduction, The Book of Mormon]. I think a lot of people miss one of the two sides of the coin. That peace I feel is what motivated me to give up two years of my life as a missionary. Not because I wanted a reward after this life, but because there is nothing more valuable than that peace. It's the same peace I feel in my family, with my wife and children. I feel it in my personal relationship with God. It's a common thread through everything good in my life.

That's why I believe and live my life this way. Not for an eternal reward, but for the day to day.

That's why I, along with many others in the Mormon Church, feel that there is no better way we could spend our time than inviting others to feel the same peace.

As far as religion appealing only to those who sinned, a frequently quoted phrase in the Mormon church is that our mission is to "make a bad person good and a good person better". Nobody is perfect, and it is my personal conviction that religion, the Mormon faith in particular, is the best (not the only) way for someone to better themselves.

This is my personal belief and I realize it is not shared by most people. I share it with you not with the intention to preach or incite guilt, but to clarify and explain why we feel so strongly about our beliefs. I'm more than happy to answer any questions via email (in my profile).

Re: Mormon Missions: Startup Accelerators?

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Yes but why not just do good for the sake of good because of a belief that it will be for the benefit of all, the self included. It gives you something to believe in without having a "church" to follow and be told what to do from. That's what has always struck me negatively, at least from Christianity. When I went to Church, the only reason they told me to follow the commandments or accept Christ was so that I can go…

Well I (and probably most Mormons, and IMO the Old and New Testament) would absolutely agree with you that service out of sincere love for others and a desire to do good is far more noble than serving with the thought of reward. I don't believe "all you have to say is I believe", because I think faith is not faith if you're not willing to back it up with your actions. Likewise, serving for a reward is better than no…

> Likewise, serving for a reward is better than no service - but it misses the point of actually becoming a happier, more loving person.

My point of contention is the belief that tricking people into doing good as an end that justifies the means is acceptable. I don't believe people should be tricked into doing good. I don't believe they are even doing good when they don't fundamentally understand why they should be doing good. What results from this process is just a bunch of bad and evil people trying to forgive themselves of their sins. They'll invade the religion, corrupt it, and pretty soon over time organized religion will just be filled with these types of people. THAT'S the reason why it's bad to just trick people into doing good. Your religion will just start attracting these false worshippers, and you end up with religions filled with hypocrites. Religion is not objective. It is subjective, so it is very prone to be distorted and bent and shaped to satisfy the needs of both good and evil people. If you start making compromises and just get people who want to "serve for a reward," you'll end up slowly corrupting the religion and letting those evil people infiltrate, shape, and dominate it. This obviously hasn't just started happening, it's been happening over centuries. And yes, there ARE actual good Christians, but it's harder to tell them apart from the corrupted ones. The corrupted ones are the ones the liberals and the atheists hate, because they are at the forefront of intolerance, outdated traditionalism, and hypocrisy. They give the GOOD Christians a bad name. Unfortunately, this easy corruption of religion is fundamental to the way it operates. If you indiscriminately acquire new religion members, your religion is prone to infection, like an open wound. This is why religions who don't go out with a sales force, adding whoever and whenever they can, are less prone to infection and corruption.

This is why religion that lacks a sales team has more credence because honestly, a religion that sells itself is more believable as divine and correct.

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