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LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

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Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

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post #9

Anyone use it along with Apache's OpenOffice? Which one is (in your experience) less buggy/more stable in its current incarnation?

LibreOffice works on multiple versions at the same time. So 4.1.0 is just out, that'll be advertised as "potentially buggy" (forgot what name they gave it). Then they will still continue to release new updates for 4.0.x and IIRC also the version before that.

So suggest LibreOffice, as you can choose what kind of stability guarantee is good for you.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#32

> Port Agenda Wizard from Java to python. Removed 11 files, 5345 lines of java code (Xisco Faulí) > Port Web Wizard from Java to python. 140 files changed, 5076 (+), 11416 (-). Removed 55 files, 10426 lines of java code (Javier Fernandez) So it looks like they're trying to scrub out the Java parts (except perhaps in Base). Does anyone know if this is the case?

Michael Meeks once said they want to get rid of as much of Java as possible. Not sure of all the reasons. Just having Java enabled in OO.org used to be a major cause of OO.org starting up slowly. I haven't checked if that is still the case in LibreOffice, but not needing Java is quite nice. IIRC the Java dependency was not really made on technical reasons, more that either the developers (Sun) knew+liked it or that they wanted to push it.

I really appreciate that they're reducing the amount of languages in the project, makes it easier for new developers to join. There are loads of things that they're doing just to make it easier for developers. Pretty weird reason to prefer LibreOffice because of this, but that's me :P

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#33

Dinosaur. We're moving towards minimal formatting, and web-based solutions (like Google Docs). The ones who need typesetting are stuck with LaTeX anyway.

I use Google Docs, but I dislike them. The worst part is, that this dislike is pretty much irrational—Google Docs just seem extremely fragile to me. I don't know why I get this feeling but it is there and I am not sure I will ever trust any non-trivial documents editin within web browser. Are there other feeling the same way? Maybe you have some idea why do I have this kind of mistrust?

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#34
post #30

When will Apache's OpenOffice be ready? I hate it when mean corporations like Oracle set out to crush community projects, but I hate the GPL more.

If you Google or visit the website you'll notice that AOO released 4.0 a few days ago.

I meant when will it be good enough. I'm looking for anecdotes, not particulars. Several people in this thread have expressed that at present LibreOffice is much better than OpenOffice. I'm wondering how much better and if enough work is being done on AOO that its expected to catch up anytime soon.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#36

What is the state of the relationship between OpenOffice and LibreOffice? I remember that there were some licensing issues that caused the fork in the first place. Are they at feature parity? Any chance the two projects will merge ?

> What is the state of the relationship between OpenOffice and LibreOffice? LibreOffice won, Oracle lost. Game over.

Apache is still in the game, and they're doing a pretty good job.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#37
post #9

Anyone use it along with Apache's OpenOffice? Which one is (in your experience) less buggy/more stable in its current incarnation?

I've used both, but I stuck with Apache Openoffice because it's usually given me less grief than Libreoffice, it also integrates better with OSX than Libreoffice does.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#39
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> targeting designers no less! // They're not targeting anyone, they're presenting their software and letting you use it under a free-libre & free-gratis license. In many ways it doesn't matter if you chose it or not. It's not being created in order to develop a need in you it's created to meet a need the creators have. Inkscape is functional. Of course there's no problem with the website being worked on and perhaps…

> In many ways it doesn't matter if you chose it or not. Just to be clear, it doesn't matter to the project creators/authors. We don't know that for a fact, but their behavior seems to imply that. I'll admit, I find that a bit surprising, since I've never worked hard on a public-facing project without hoping people would use it and find it useful. However from a global welfare perspective it clearly matters a great d…

>I've never worked hard on a public-facing project without hoping people would use it and find it useful //

This is not incompatible with what I said. You can desire people to find and use a package without desiring to promote it in a standard marketing way. Perhaps the Inkscape team are happy with the ecosystem they have of supporters and users - that create such things as http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/, http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/, http://screencasters.heathenx.org/ all easily found and all providing advocacy for the project. Along with their part in LGM.

>global_welfare_added == (value_added_per_user) n_users* //

Like you said that's simplistic. If you encourage users that wouldn't benefit, despite Inkscape being a great benefit for many, then you have a negative addition to your "global welfare".

Sounds like you're ready to take the plunge though ... http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Editing_Inkscape%27s....

Perhaps you'd take inspiration from sk1 (also part of LGM) - http://sk1project.org/.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#40
"A very large number of bugs have been fixed at an estimate of around 3000 bugs, of which 400 came from authors with apache.org mail addresses."

I believe that the Apache OpenOffice developers have been complaining that the LO guys just cherry-picks their changes and don't do anything. This should hopefully put paid to that complaint!

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