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Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by _pmf_ »

benihana wrote: post #12
NelsonMinar wrote: post #7

Could you imagine if the Linux Developer Center went down? It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

> Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

Yeah, one has to admit that Mac users are a more receptive audience for the high-brow humor of sophisticated fart apps.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by qnk »

What's even worse is that we, the developers, their customers, will never get to know what happened. Because that's the Apple way.

I'd really love that Apple proves me wrong on this one and comes clean on the problem, the cause and prevention measures being put in place so this won't happen again, whatever it is.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by berkut »

kabdib wrote: post #27
berkut wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What rubbish. Any specifics, or are you just trolling? The company I work for develops high-end desktop software for Linux, Mac and Windows, and Linux generally causes us the least trouble and OS X (thanks mostly to atrocious graphics drivers and OpenGL support in addition to really bad memory allocation/paging issues that have only just been fixed in Mountain Lion) the most trouble. And this is on limited numbers of…

What versions of Linux do you target?

We "officially support" RHEL 5.4 and RHEL 6.0 (and thus corresponding CentOSes).

But we've got customers running everything from RHEL 4.5 to the latest and greatest Ubuntus, Mints and Arch.

All with the same binary installers.

The only linux-related weirdness I can recall in the last two years distro-wise was Scientific Linux, which seemed to have some weird XOrg config issues.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by pavanky »

benihana wrote: post #12
NelsonMinar wrote: post #7

Could you imagine if the Linux Developer Center went down? It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

There is money to be made making software for Linux. Mostly in engineering / Scientific software. Making money of utility software ? Not so much. If you are a company like PGI you are probably making a ton of money selling fortran compilers to people running Linux on their clusters.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by kabdib »

berkut wrote: post #33
kabdib wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What versions of Linux do you target?

We "officially support" RHEL 5.4 and RHEL 6.0 (and thus corresponding CentOSes). But we've got customers running everything from RHEL 4.5 to the latest and greatest Ubuntus, Mints and Arch. All with the same binary installers. The only linux-related weirdness I can recall in the last two years distro-wise was Scientific Linux, which seemed to have some weird XOrg config issues.

Thank you. Like others, I had no idea that Linux was that stable in the practical levels above its ABI.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by maxharris »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #22
benihana wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

I would wager more money is made via Linux than iOS by a fairly large margin.

I would wager more money is made via Linux than iOS by a fairly large margin.

As an aggregate measure, spread across several million people? Perhaps. Resolving that is just a matter of looking up the data.

But that's not the question that matters for an actual developer. What actually matters is: How much money are you making on one platform, and how much could you make on the other? That question has a lot more to do with whether or not a developer makes his or her rent next month than the aggregate measure above.

I'm not saying it's useless to look at the long-term picture. I'm just trying to show that it's a big mistake to focus on that to the exclusion of more pressing things first.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by grey-area »

trackztar wrote: post #17

If it weren't Sunday, I wouldn't speculate, but it is. My 2 cents: iOS7 updates galore. Just imagine everything that could be overhauled. Even the old gray textured background we see is not very much like iOS 7. iOS is in a big transition here. You can't even update apps at all unless you now include 'widescreen' support, for example. If you don't, iTunes reports an Invalid Binary (no default 586 image, etc). So I wo…

So I would guess a huge overhaul, and typical Apple, is taking care of that vs. arguing or commenting on theories.

A design overhaul wouldn't require the dev centre to go down at all - they could just prepare all the assets etc on testing servers and switch them over when they are ready.

Given the normal warning given on any maintenance, and the obvious negative consequences for Apple's business of any extended outage (extended in this case being over a day or so), this is unintended, and most likely caused by a security breach. I think we can safely rule out a design overhaul unless Apple are incredibly incompetent.

NB itunesconnect is still up (the bit which deals with app upload, itunes store metadata etc), only the dev center - dealing with certs/device registration/distribution etc - is down.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by ninguem2 »

benihana wrote: post #12
NelsonMinar wrote: post #7

Could you imagine if the Linux Developer Center went down? It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

Android (Linux) has surpassed iOS in number of users worldwide.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Post by berkut »

dman wrote: post #25
pbsdp wrote: post #15

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Can you imagine writing desktop software for Linux? Inconsistent APIs, API breakage, ABI breakage, sizable variances between distributions, multiple desktops UI implementations, and you may as well just forget about mobile. I'm not justifying Apple's ever increasing shift towards enacting strict constraints on their platform developers, but the comparison with Linux is pointless.

Use something like python and qt and you are well set by any standards.

Just use Qt. Works brilliantly, great API and documentation, and gets you 95% of the way to Windows versions and 85% of the way on OS X too. On OS X you'll have issues with native painting within OpenGL drawing and maybe event throttling / reordering for mouse / pen tablet events that you have to install a manual event filter for to fix, as OS X doesn't always send input mouse/keyboard events in the correct order.
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