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FUD. This is total nonsense. I've lived in and around Detroit for the greater part of my life. I've even lived in the Bay Area for a couple years. There have been tremendous strides to turn this city around even in the last 5 years. I don't live in the city now, but I do work downtown every day in the Ren Cen. Even in the last year alone, I've noticed things pick up in the downtown area. I'm glad you took your cranky…
Agree with you, the city is turning around. There's a spirit that wasn't there eighteen months ago. There's a vibrant and growing tech community. If you're not there its easy to miss it with the constant bombardment by the national media of what's called locally 'ruin porn'. A group of us is having a civic hackathon this fall at the M@dison Oct 4-5 to celebrate the state's release of open API's for five themes: jobs,…
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Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong
#32There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…
I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…
Over time I came to think that part of the problem is that Cleveland lacks the 'being a part of something bigger' you refer to.
I'll say this for Detroit - they're actually making things happen. I hope Cleveland gets some of the same mojo. There are definitely cool people in Cleveland up to good things, but there's not a movement afoot yet.
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I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…
Quicken Loans is nothing to do with Intuit beyond using the name 'Quicken'. They're not an Intuit company. They're certainly pretty strong on their own, but the name is the only relationship.
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I've only been in Detroit proper a few times, but this all comports with the general impression of a complete hellhole. Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking.
>Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking. when you're young, your hormones is off the chart, you have several people like you around - you're thriving and you don't need basic city services like police coming to quiet down your party, and "personal safety" is for old, like 30ish - 40ish folks.
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I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…
I moved from NYC to Cleveland for a couple years and was shocked at the untapped potential. Just east of downtown, for example, is a warehouse area the size of several Brooklyn neighborhoods that's at least half empty and crying out to be invaded by artists. Rent can be as low as $3.50/sf/yr. Over time I came to think that part of the problem is that Cleveland lacks the 'being a part of something bigger' you refer to…
Source: Lived in cleveland area for 28 years of my life - every year more and more of the rundown areas of the city were being gentrified and being replaced by trendy restaurants and rented out by whatever 'hipster' / artist population the city has around.
Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong
#37Anyone who lives or works there is a fool. I grew up there, and lived downtown for years before wising up. Have a medical emergency and call 911? You're lucky if an ambulance shows up within an hour, if at all. I've been robbed at gunpoint enough times for one lifetime. I'm tired of having to pick up my .45 as the first thing I do after landing at the airport and getting my rental car. Tell me how cheap rent has to b…
To state why Detroit is Detroit is like saying that "Stalin was a dictator" in 1970s Russia[1]. It doesn't matter that the leaders[2] of the society acknowledged that as fact, or even that everyone knew that it was true on some level. You yourself can't state the truth about why Detroit is Detroit. Like in the 1970s USSR, you won't be shot, you will just probably lose your job and/or be forced into a public apology.
[1] http://www.volokh.com/2010/04/30/on-a-bus-in-kiev/
I remember very little about my childhood in the Soviet
Union; I was only seven when I left. But one memory I have
is being on a bus with one of my parents, and asking
something about a conversation we had had at home, in which
Stalin and possibly Lenin were mentioned as examples of
dictators. My parent took me off the bus at the next stop,
even though it wasn’t the place we were originally going...
What’s more, this is so even though most people, including
most Communists, knew that Stalin was of course a dictator.
The government itself had acknowledged as much. Even Lenin
was widely understood to have been a dictator in the sense
of someone who didn’t govern through democratic means.
But it’s not the sort of thing that you’d want to say in
public, or even to your friends in private. Sssh! — people
might hear! Those who hear might draw deeper inferences
about what else you might believe. This might get back to
the place you work. You might be fired, or blacklisted. By
the 1970s, you probably didn’t have to worry much about
being shot, or being sent to Siberia; these were not the
1930s. But lost jobs, ruined careers — sure. And a forced
public apology: well, of course, that might help a bit.
[2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-rema... Now, this isn’t to say that the African-American community
is naive about the fact that African-American young men are
disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system,
that they are disproportionately both victims and
perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that
fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for
that in a historical context.
We understand that some of the violence that takes place in
poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of
a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty
and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be
traced to a very difficult history.
And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds
to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African-
American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse
is given, well, there are these statistics out there that
show that African-American boys are more violent -- using
that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently
causes pain.
I think the African-American community is also not naive in
understanding that statistically somebody like Trayvon
Martin was probably statistically more likely to be shot by
a peer than he was by somebody else.Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong
#38It's hard to square these quotes: > SILICON VALLEY IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE IF YOU'RE IN THE 1% OF TECH STARTUPS. BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE OTHER 99%, YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME TRYING TO FIND TALENT, AND NOT ENOUGH BUILDING A BUSINESS > Detroit has just 11,000 young professionals between 25 and 34 who hold at least a bachelor's degree Or is it "once we convince people to move here and work with us, they're trapped"?
I don't have the stats but there's a much larger number of young professionals within easy commuting distance of downtown Detroit.
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The five square blocks around the rencen and the casino don't count, though you can't get emergency services there either. It's not nonsense, you just don't use emergency services like police, EMS, or fire every day. That doesn't make it any less stupid to live somewhere they aren't available, though. Enjoy unplowed streets and no street lights while things "pick up", though. Oh, wait, the rencen has a parking garage…
Listen, I'm really just fucking tired of people slagging Detroit. The people that are doing it always seem to fit the profile of this guy here, "I used to live there...I have relatives there...I visited there once..." -- quite frankly, fuck all y'all. We're doing fine in Detroit, we're making it better...slowly but surely.
That's a feeling not a measurement. Clearly economically it's getting worse. And emergency services seem to be getting worse. What exactly is getting better?
All I'm saying is that, especially in crisis, the truth and measurement are far better than emotion. What exactly is getting better?
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#40NYC almost went bankrupt back in the 70's. It took a long time and a strong leadership to bring it back to where it stands now. Granted Detroit does not have the population size of NYC but with strong leadership they can rebound. Well see if it happens. My bro in law lives near there and sells RE for a living. Said he feels optimistic that if Detroit cuts down on the city boundaries and focuses on areas of growth and…