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Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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FUD. This is total nonsense. I've lived in and around Detroit for the greater part of my life. I've even lived in the Bay Area for a couple years. There have been tremendous strides to turn this city around even in the last 5 years. I don't live in the city now, but I do work downtown every day in the Ren Cen. Even in the last year alone, I've noticed things pick up in the downtown area. I'm glad you took your cranky…

Agree with you, the city is turning around. There's a spirit that wasn't there eighteen months ago. There's a vibrant and growing tech community. If you're not there its easy to miss it with the constant bombardment by the national media of what's called locally 'ruin porn'. A group of us is having a civic hackathon this fall at the M@dison Oct 4-5 to celebrate the state's release of open API's for five themes: jobs,…

This guy gets it.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…

I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…

I moved from NYC to Cleveland for a couple years and was shocked at the untapped potential. Just east of downtown, for example, is a warehouse area the size of several Brooklyn neighborhoods that's at least half empty and crying out to be invaded by artists. Rent can be as low as $3.50/sf/yr.

Over time I came to think that part of the problem is that Cleveland lacks the 'being a part of something bigger' you refer to.

I'll say this for Detroit - they're actually making things happen. I hope Cleveland gets some of the same mojo. There are definitely cool people in Cleveland up to good things, but there's not a movement afoot yet.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…

Quicken Loans is nothing to do with Intuit beyond using the name 'Quicken'. They're not an Intuit company. They're certainly pretty strong on their own, but the name is the only relationship.

Ahh you're right. I had read that Intuit bought Quicken Loans, but I guess I never read that Dan Gilbert bought Quicken Loans back from them.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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I've only been in Detroit proper a few times, but this all comports with the general impression of a complete hellhole. Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking.

>Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking. when you're young, your hormones is off the chart, you have several people like you around - you're thriving and you don't need basic city services like police coming to quiet down your party, and "personal safety" is for old, like 30ish - 40ish folks.

Its kinda funny when "personal safety" seems to be equated to having a police force at your beck and call. In my neighborhood growing up it was a mac 11 (or that's what kids wished for…) and some paranoia of everyone… including the police. :P

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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I think the biggest appeal of Detroit right now is that the people going there are trying to be a part of something bigger. They're trying to revitalize and reinvent a once great city. And it's working. Detroit is a hell of a lot nicer now than it was 5 years ago. You might think that the tech sector can't do enough to turn the city around, but I disagree. This isn't just a collection of random startups. There are te…

I moved from NYC to Cleveland for a couple years and was shocked at the untapped potential. Just east of downtown, for example, is a warehouse area the size of several Brooklyn neighborhoods that's at least half empty and crying out to be invaded by artists. Rent can be as low as $3.50/sf/yr. Over time I came to think that part of the problem is that Cleveland lacks the 'being a part of something bigger' you refer to…

As far as I can tell Cleveland has the exact same mojo as Detroit. There's only so much you can do, though, and there's only so fast these sort of improvements can happen, especially when you're a city that the butt end of too many jokes to count.

Source: Lived in cleveland area for 28 years of my life - every year more and more of the rundown areas of the city were being gentrified and being replaced by trendy restaurants and rented out by whatever 'hipster' / artist population the city has around.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Anyone who lives or works there is a fool. I grew up there, and lived downtown for years before wising up. Have a medical emergency and call 911? You're lucky if an ambulance shows up within an hour, if at all. I've been robbed at gunpoint enough times for one lifetime. I'm tired of having to pick up my .45 as the first thing I do after landing at the airport and getting my rental car. Tell me how cheap rent has to b…

No one can "fix" Detroit because no one can even discuss the reasons why Detroit is Detroit. It's not Democrats (Seattle and the Bay Area are fine). It's not big companies (there do happen to be auto plants in other areas). It has to do with the great unmentionable taboos of modern American society.

To state why Detroit is Detroit is like saying that "Stalin was a dictator" in 1970s Russia[1]. It doesn't matter that the leaders[2] of the society acknowledged that as fact, or even that everyone knew that it was true on some level. You yourself can't state the truth about why Detroit is Detroit. Like in the 1970s USSR, you won't be shot, you will just probably lose your job and/or be forced into a public apology.

[1] http://www.volokh.com/2010/04/30/on-a-bus-in-kiev/

  I remember very little about my childhood in the Soviet 
  Union; I was only seven when I left. But one memory I have 
  is being on a bus with one of my parents, and asking 
  something about a conversation we had had at home, in which 
  Stalin and possibly Lenin were mentioned as examples of 
  dictators. My parent took me off the bus at the next stop, 
  even though it wasn’t the place we were originally going...

  What’s more, this is so even though most people, including 
  most Communists, knew that Stalin was of course a dictator. 
  The government itself had acknowledged as much. Even Lenin 
  was widely understood to have been a dictator in the sense 
  of someone who didn’t govern through democratic means.

  But it’s not the sort of thing that you’d want to say in 
  public, or even to your friends in private. Sssh! — people 
  might hear! Those who hear might draw deeper inferences 
  about what else you might believe. This might get back to 
  the place you work. You might be fired, or blacklisted. By 
  the 1970s, you probably didn’t have to worry much about 
  being shot, or being sent to Siberia; these were not the 
  1930s. But lost jobs, ruined careers — sure. And a forced 
  public apology: well, of course, that might help a bit.
[2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-rema...

  Now, this isn’t to say that the African-American community 
  is naive about the fact that African-American young men are 
  disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system, 
  that they are disproportionately both victims and 
  perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that 
  fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for 
  that in a historical context.

  We understand that some of the violence that takes place in 
  poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of 
  a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty 
  and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be 
  traced to a very difficult history.

  And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds 
  to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African-
  American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse 
  is given, well, there are these statistics out there that 
  show that African-American boys are more violent -- using 
  that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently 
  causes pain.

  I think the African-American community is also not naive in 
  understanding that statistically somebody like Trayvon 
  Martin was probably statistically more likely to be shot by 
  a peer than he was by somebody else.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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It's hard to square these quotes: > SILICON VALLEY IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE IF YOU'RE IN THE 1% OF TECH STARTUPS. BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE OTHER 99%, YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME TRYING TO FIND TALENT, AND NOT ENOUGH BUILDING A BUSINESS > Detroit has just 11,000 young professionals between 25 and 34 who hold at least a bachelor's degree Or is it "once we convince people to move here and work with us, they're trapped"?

You're making a common mistake. Detroit has 700,000 people. Metro Detroit has an additional 3.5 million.

I don't have the stats but there's a much larger number of young professionals within easy commuting distance of downtown Detroit.

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The five square blocks around the rencen and the casino don't count, though you can't get emergency services there either. It's not nonsense, you just don't use emergency services like police, EMS, or fire every day. That doesn't make it any less stupid to live somewhere they aren't available, though. Enjoy unplowed streets and no street lights while things "pick up", though. Oh, wait, the rencen has a parking garage…

Listen, I'm really just fucking tired of people slagging Detroit. The people that are doing it always seem to fit the profile of this guy here, "I used to live there...I have relatives there...I visited there once..." -- quite frankly, fuck all y'all. We're doing fine in Detroit, we're making it better...slowly but surely.

we're making it better...slowly but surely

That's a feeling not a measurement. Clearly economically it's getting worse. And emergency services seem to be getting worse. What exactly is getting better?

All I'm saying is that, especially in crisis, the truth and measurement are far better than emotion. What exactly is getting better?

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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NYC almost went bankrupt back in the 70's. It took a long time and a strong leadership to bring it back to where it stands now. Granted Detroit does not have the population size of NYC but with strong leadership they can rebound. Well see if it happens. My bro in law lives near there and sells RE for a living. Said he feels optimistic that if Detroit cuts down on the city boundaries and focuses on areas of growth and…

They also had some of the problems with slow or non-existent emergency services, even much later than the '70s. As one cultural outgrowth of that, Public Enemy's "911 Is A Joke" was written in 1990 about poor emergency response.
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