Woo, thanks for the shoutout to Ten Megabyte Manifesto [0] again. 20 megabytes is likely a good thing (and I guess I have to update my manifesto a little bit! though I maintain that you can still build quality stuff in under 10MB of html/css/js), and the promise of a better upload interface is great too. I'm hoping you'll choose to/be able to implement directory support but any improvement in the meantime is great. Keep up the good work.
NeoCities can now handle two million web sites
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#32my site got pulled(erased)after the first day WTF?
I'm pretty sure there was some name collisions or something the first day. I think it's been fixed since then
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#33As much as there has been lots of trash talking here about Neocities due to it being 'just' HTML and CSS, I teach high school kids on a semi-regular basis (teaching summer camp right now) and that's the thing they're _most_ jazzed about.
I told them all to sign up. They were super pumped.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please forgive my original post if it sounded like there was any snark. Some people may not want all of their sites stored forever. Some people are cool with it. It was really just an honest question, and no snark was intended.
I think he misinterpreted what you said. "Can we talk about making sure your sites get pulled into the Internet Archive" could mean "make sure your site is indexed and archived properly" or could mean "make sure that your site dies and is relegated to the archives".
I meant the first one. Definitely the first one.
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#35kyledrake, you are the spirit of old school geeks that made computing cool.
Gracias.
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#36Kyle, I died a little inside when I saw the preview of the new "beautiful front page". It's a great webdesign, but I thought the part of the appeal of your site was the ghetto-fabulousness? The redesigned front page makes it look like a Wix competitor. I thought you wanted something that looked plain and boring, but accessible to everyone (like the blog). With a super modern fancy web design, you make the site look l…
The current design is horrible.
Why have a bad design just to have a bad design? Does that make your site hip?
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#37As much as there has been lots of trash talking here about Neocities due to it being 'just' HTML and CSS, I teach high school kids on a semi-regular basis (teaching summer camp right now) and that's the thing they're _most_ jazzed about. I told them all to sign up. They were super pumped.
Why are they most jazzed about HTML and CSS?
Is it because they can create something immediate and show it to others online?
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#39Kyle, I died a little inside when I saw the preview of the new "beautiful front page". It's a great webdesign, but I thought the part of the appeal of your site was the ghetto-fabulousness? The redesigned front page makes it look like a Wix competitor. I thought you wanted something that looked plain and boring, but accessible to everyone (like the blog). With a super modern fancy web design, you make the site look l…
I don't think the new design is "super fancy", it just plain looks good to me.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just so everybody knows what we're talking about, this is the screenshot of the new front page design we're working on: https://raw.github.com/kyledrake/neocities-web/master/files/...
Please don't implement this design. Current one is thousand times better. Minimalistic is more natural for this kind of sites.
This discussion is interesting, because I just recently listened to an interview with Tegan And Sara on NPR regarding their new album that almost perfectly emulates this (minimalism vs polish). They wanted to make their music more approachable to a wider audience, and their hardcore fans revolted because they just wanted to hear more of the same stuff. In the end, they were right, and the new album was successful.
Musicians (and artists in general) have to evolve, and there is a risk of alienating people with that evolution. I certainly don't want to make people not like NeoCities because the design changes.
However, having a good design makes the site more approachable and accessible for more people, which is the goal of NeoCities: to get people to start making web sites again, even if they aren't a member of the skilled web design crowd. HN has an appreciation for minimalism (that I almost always share), but I want to involve and inspire all users, and not just make it for our demographic, if that makes any sense.
If you had any suggestions specific to the design to improve it, I would love to hear your thoughts, but I do think it's a good design. It has site screenshots on the front page, a great top backdrop, good colors, and an awesome site mascot.