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US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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>> "if he travelled via Shannon as part of his efforts to get to Cuba and was arrested under the provisional arrest warrant pending an extradition process by the American authorities in the Irish courts, he could apply for asylum while being held in prison here." An interesting prospect but incredibly unlikely.

Non extradition due to death penalty might work anywhere in Europe. It might not if US says it won't execute Snowden (if they lie, then no one will ever be extradited on that basis again, as that would be illegal from then on).

For the sake of background: people bring up the prospect of the death penalty for espionage often in these cases, but it's not something the US has actually invoked since WWII, even in very clear-cut situations where money changed hands or people died as a result.

For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noshir_Gowadia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kendall_Myers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_James_Nicholson

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Irish probably could tell the states to "feck off" and have the backing of the US public. What with every american clinging on like spider monkeys to the last few remaining irish genes in their gene pool.

US has other points of leverage on the Irish. (How about we close this nice tax scam you got going...)

Serious question: just how do you figure the US can close that tax loophole (it's law, so not a scam)? Did you know that it only works when money is routed through the Netherlands? And from there to the Caribbean or elsewhere? You're stretching it, implying the US can sway lawmakers abroad.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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I still don't get why Russia is not just putting him on military transport to Cuba. They should have "some" experience flying that route without US interference. Nobody would mess around with a military transport and getting him out of the country would probably reflect on Russia better than just harboring him around at the transit zone.

> just harboring him around at the transit zone.

Russia are not harboring him because he's not in Russia, he's in an international transit lounge and therefore not actually in any country.

It has always shocked me that US airports don't have this concept, it must be the only major world transport hub that doesn't.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Irish probably could tell the states to "feck off" and have the backing of the US public. What with every american clinging on like spider monkeys to the last few remaining irish genes in their gene pool.

US has other points of leverage on the Irish. (How about we close this nice tax scam you got going...)

And the Irish could start asking questions about Delaware. Sounds good.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

#36

>> "if he travelled via Shannon as part of his efforts to get to Cuba and was arrested under the provisional arrest warrant pending an extradition process by the American authorities in the Irish courts, he could apply for asylum while being held in prison here." An interesting prospect but incredibly unlikely.

Non extradition due to death penalty might work anywhere in Europe. It might not if US says it won't execute Snowden (if they lie, then no one will ever be extradited on that basis again, as that would be illegal from then on).

I don't think the US have any interest in the death penalty for Snowden.

They'd much rather him rot without trial in Guantanamo for the rest of his life, as to serve a better lesson to anyone thinking of following his footsteps.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

#37

On the 4th of this July the fireworks appeared as tears falling from our skies spirit sinking with the fading twinkle On this 4th of July the fireworks could be heard bombs bursting against nerves and conscious in this land that has become so large in view so small in vision nothing but the feared and the fearing

No. Can we please stop this adolescent drama? If you think there's a better country, please, leave the US and go there. Do the rest of us a favor.

It's been made very clear that the 95% of the world's population not living inside America have absolutely no rights in the eyes of the NSA.

By indiscriminately spying on everyone, America has made this a global issue.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

#38

There was a funny line in The Social Network that went: `Like my brother and I are in skeleton costumes chasing the Karate Kid around a gym.` That's kind of what America looks like. Snowden has all these mighty military secrets, but at the end of the day they just look like school bullies who want to smack him around. What Snowden did is without a doubt a crime, but one that seems like it was necessary, and should be…

I agree with everything but the concept that what he did "is without a doubt a crime." In fact, many people, including lawyers and constitutional scholars, have debate on the subject. The reasons they might not be a crime include: -Legal whistle blower protections -precedent of committing lesser crimes to prevent larger crimes -international case law around disobeying illegal orders -the application of reasonableness in the 4th amendment

Snowden is committing a crime no more than Daniel Ellsburg releasing the Pentagon Papers was a crime, and Mark Felt (Deep Throat) was a criminal for exposing FBI and presidential misconduct.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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post #23

I still don't get why Russia is not just putting him on military transport to Cuba. They should have "some" experience flying that route without US interference. Nobody would mess around with a military transport and getting him out of the country would probably reflect on Russia better than just harboring him around at the transit zone.

> just harboring him around at the transit zone. Russia are not harboring him because he's not in Russia, he's in an international transit lounge and therefore not actually in any country. It has always shocked me that US airports don't have this concept, it must be the only major world transport hub that doesn't.

> he's in an international transit lounge and therefore not actually in any country.

What would prevent other asylum seekers or refugees from doing the same? Leave a war torn hell hole and camp out at Stuttgart International, sleep on the benches and busk or beg to get a meal. The fact that this doesn't happens means there are other reasons and the transit lounge isn't a DMZ as you claim.

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