What happens if the plane would have continued flying through airspace claiming its political immunity? WWIII?
Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
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Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.
It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant. Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN. They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day. But I wouldn't call those people "hackers". Not in the traditional cultural sense.
I think the point that the OP and others are trying to make is that there's plenty of places all over the world that satisfy those interests. Just because this site allows un-moderated user submissions and comments doesn't mean it's for general news. The OP and others (me included) are lamenting the fact that the popularist stories about social liberties are replacing the perhaps less popular stories about hardware design or compilers or new research in computer science. Unfortunately it has been demonstrated time and time again that popularity destroys communities.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#33One could only hope these types of strong arm tactics against a diplomatic mission would lead to repercussions serious enough to make future incidents much less likely.
However, since it seems there is nothing more to be gained by continuing to hold the plane, what will actually happen is that high ranking politicians in the involved countries will apologise profusely, claim this was done by some low ranking bureaucrat that will be appropriately disciplined (sounding familiar?), and everything will go back to normal since no one wants to risk major economic repercussions over a minor incident.
I wonder if this could have a long term impact on how the South Americans view Europe ideologically though.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#34For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggres…
The reaction of different latin-american governments has nothing to do with the NSA scandal, but with the prohibition given to Evo morales to flight and leave Europe. In particular, she is not taking a stance regarding spying, but against the humiliation suffered by the president of a sovereign nation.
Do you know how many people is she humiliating in Argentina?
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#35I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the s…
Are there any blogs or column on Ecuadorian politics (in English) where we can read about Correa and the public's opinions of him?
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#36For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggres…
Well, that assertion by Assange is somewhat out of context. What he said is that of the medium sized Latin American countries, Argentina's surveillance was the most aggressive. He also said it was nothing compared with what's being done in the USA, the UK or China. So calling it "her own NSA" seems a bit disingenuous, at least from this perspective. Link to the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg
You can't compare the NSA with the Argentinian intelligence agencies because the countries are in a very different scale.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
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Yes, she is definitely playing with the fact that Evo is acting very calmly and being polite with her despite the situation, and at the same time making a reference to his aymaran descent. Cristina is not known for being frugal in speech nor calm when in adverse situations.
I have spent a lot of time in Argentina. Argentinian people are very into being cute and intimate, even with people they don't know that well. There is a refreshing lack of excessive seriousness in that culture. If you know Spanish and have seen Kirschner speak she almost comes off as a goofball the way she cracks jokes and makes "cute" references to things, but it's really just a reflection of Argentine culture more…
Argentine here, CFK's way of speaking is a reflection of insanity, not Argentine culture. True, we take many things lightly but CFK goes way over the top, especially for a President.
In any case, the deep-rooted corruption of her administration (and practically all others decades before it) is a symbol of Argentine culture.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reaction of different latin-american governments has nothing to do with the NSA scandal, but with the prohibition given to Evo morales to flight and leave Europe. In particular, she is not taking a stance regarding spying, but against the humiliation suffered by the president of a sovereign nation.
Do you know how many people is she humiliating in Argentina?
I don't see how your rhetorical question constitutes a point towards the importance of "emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project" in this discussion.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
#39I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the s…
Just more detail: seriously, look at the video from one of those Enlace Ciudadano events, and then take any still frame of video, and try to make him look stupid. The worst you can say is that he might look a little too earnest.
He just did one of these at the refinery right outside where I live (about 5 minutes away) - notice his entrance after the video intro, where he joins a folk music band in singing "Bonito Manabi" (name of the province).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntkFqT7tQ4&feature=c4-overvi...
He's got world-class skills, so he's like a man among boys down here. I'm just worried about who's going to inherit the concentration of executive power that he's built up.
Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night
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It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant. Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN. They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day. But I wouldn't call those people "hackers". Not in the traditional cultural sense.
I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question. Another site I read often is www.cyclingnews.com - they have great coverage of professional bicycle racing, which I love to read about and watch. You know what, though? I find politics annoying there too. You know where I like to read about…
>I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question.
It's a very simple process.
People that like sites like this "segmented" and "pure" are mostly apolitical and don't care about the issues they want to expunge from them in the first place. I've seen such people in lots of other places.
Hackers tend to be all over the place. They tend to appreciate tech, science, politics, philosophy, Star Wars, startups, what have you, and to want to discuss it at the same time.
Kind of like PG discusses tons of things in his essays, not just tech or startups all the time.
>You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good.
Not really the outlet for a hacker interested in politics, and especially the stuff we're discussing here. Actually, it's as far away from the traditional hacker culture as you can get -- and quite far from caring about privacy, surveillance, and the whole EFF spirit too.
It's basically a status quo rag for rich folks and middle class wannabes.