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Anytime someone uses the word "Creeper" it quickly identifies the person as a Millenial. It sounds passive-aggressive. The word is "Stalker" kids. A creeper is someone who creeps around at night.
So, the term for someone who behaves in a socially inappropriate and over-reaching way, but isn't literally stalking anyone is.... ?
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" i've been called hot, sexy, and creepy in the same hour span on a night out. speaking up in the conversation at the wrong time, or just having the wrong look on your face can be "creepy". staring off into space while thinking about code? watch out, you could be creeping someone out. overhear something and decide to but in with a "hey i think i know what you…
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" In this context, it simply means being pushy and mumbling (or screaming) about sex and/or violence all the time. E.g. http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ i've been called hot, sexy, and creepy in the same hour span on a night out. Yes, and people have called making a lot of money "killing it" before, too, but that doesn't suddenly make murder okay. How's that for a…
That doesn't really follow.
What he meant was that some people experienced him as hot, some experienced him as sexy, and some experienced him as creepy. In other words, he was not objectively any one of those things - different people had different expectations and standards. He was more appealing to some people than others.
And this is perfectly normal. Not everyone gets along with everyone else.
Because it is an attack on gender. Creepers and harassment are exceedingly rarely discussed in gender neutral ways- it is usually a man doing something to a woman, or sometimes a discussion of the reverse. It is not often both in a neutral way. Additionally, the behaviour are things that a lot of people still do. Whereas with racism, to use the author's example, might draw the same ire (and it does in certain cases)…
I'd also like to add that the word "creeper" should be kept out of these discussions. It seems obvious that sexism is very common in United States computer culture. But the word "creepy", when used to describe an undesirable man, is every bit as derogatory as "fattie" or "slut" when applied to a woman. It's the kind of word that is used for character assasination. As you say, it doesn't go well when you imply that ev…
Exactly! Context is so important. And something that would be experienced as "inappropriate" at a given moment might be the perfect thing to do half an hour later. It's all about making other people comfortable in your presence.
So to tell people who are (maybe understandably) bitter and resentful, who are feeling like rejects and victims, that their behavior is the problem -- well, that just feels spiteful and insulting. From the perspective of the nerds, women are arbitrary and cruel, so fuck them and what they think of us. Further, now that women are becoming integrated into parts of nerd culture, this feels like an encroachment into the territory which was previously able to provide a haven/escape from female rejection.
This, at least, is what my experience has been in talking with others. I don't think I personally ever felt this way, but I also have never identified strongly as a nerd either. I'm definitely generalizing heavily.
This entire essay is about how other people perceive a certain thing in a more extreme matter than would be warranted by logic, but the author makes the mistake of using the same extremities in his essay, thus nullifying his own argument. (Did that make sense? If not, it basically means: he is saying "there are a lot of nutters who are angrily responding to discussions about creepers and harrassment", but he doesn't…
It's not the language that makes people nutters. They might have downvoted you for discounting the entire article for something that doesn't matter. Have you never seen the reactions the article is talking about?
My point is that the author here doesn't really say which of these he doesn't "get", but just blanket calls people who disagree with his viewpoint "nutters", and talks about "basement-stinking" reactions, and then claims that they are very common and says he doesn't get why. So he/she is really vague about the issue, and does not give any concrete data or opinions in the discourse relating to it.
EDIT: Another example, the last sentence of the article: "are these freaks going to keep jumping up and down on my lawn?" ← Do you think this is a measured, logical response by a person who is talking about responses to accusations of sexism etc. at tech conferences?
"Most men fear getting laughed at or humiliated by a romantic prospect while most women fear rape and death." -Gavin de Becker
Anytime someone uses the word "Creeper" it quickly identifies the person as a Millenial. It sounds passive-aggressive. The word is "Stalker" kids. A creeper is someone who creeps around at night.
No, really; that's pretty much it. Someone who calls you creepy is expressing a sincere worry that you won't take no for an answer. No more, no less.
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" i've been called hot, sexy, and creepy in the same hour span on a night out. speaking up in the conversation at the wrong time, or just having the wrong look on your face can be "creepy". staring off into space while thinking about code? watch out, you could be creeping someone out. overhear something and decide to but in with a "hey i think i know what you…
No, it's not — at least not necessarily, which seems to be your implication.
One can be awkward and not be a creeper. One can be unattractive and not be a creeper. One can be a creeper and be neither awkward nor unattractive. And, yes, one can be all three.
The difference between them tends, in my (male, second-hand) experience, to be one of persistence. Awkward doesn't always stick around long past the point where it's no longer welcome. Creepers, awkward or not — and unintentionally or not — do.
EDIT: phrasing.
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" i've been called hot, sexy, and creepy in the same hour span on a night out. speaking up in the conversation at the wrong time, or just having the wrong look on your face can be "creepy". staring off into space while thinking about code? watch out, you could be creeping someone out. overhear something and decide to but in with a "hey i think i know what you…
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" No, it's not — at least not necessarily, which seems to be your implication. One can be awkward and not be a creeper. One can be unattractive and not be a creeper. One can be a creeper and be neither awkward nor unattractive. And, yes, one can be all three. The difference between them tends, in my (male, second-hand) experience, to be one of persistence. Aw…
Woman: "If you're not listening to me now when I say no, how can I possibly trust you will listen later?"
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" i've been called hot, sexy, and creepy in the same hour span on a night out. speaking up in the conversation at the wrong time, or just having the wrong look on your face can be "creepy". staring off into space while thinking about code? watch out, you could be creeping someone out. overhear something and decide to but in with a "hey i think i know what you…
"creepy" is just a code word for "unattractive" or "awkward" No, it's not — at least not necessarily, which seems to be your implication. One can be awkward and not be a creeper. One can be unattractive and not be a creeper. One can be a creeper and be neither awkward nor unattractive. And, yes, one can be all three. The difference between them tends, in my (male, second-hand) experience, to be one of persistence. Aw…
So the theory goes, ay any rate.