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U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#31
post #7

Can we please stop this? If anyone wants to follow this story, she can go to cnn.com or news.google.com; let's please leave HN for interesting technical content. This is truly becoming tiring.

Did you see the HN front page when Aaron Swartz killed himself? The NSA stories are a drop in the ocean compared to the endless Aaron Swartz posts. It looked like this[0].

[0] http://i.imgur.com/QgJo6CU.png

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#32
post #5

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-sn... And they're urging Hong Kong to do it quickly. I wonder what the result of that will be.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

I think the US is overplaying their influence on HK. People in HK regularly protest (on the street, even) against Beijing's apparent interference in local politics or social matters such as education and elections. At the end of the day HK is part of China and this how they act towards Beijing. I don't think the US can waltz in to HK and apply their special brand of moral pressure for HK to 'do the right thing'...

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#33
post #7

Can we please stop this? If anyone wants to follow this story, she can go to cnn.com or news.google.com; let's please leave HN for interesting technical content. This is truly becoming tiring.

No one forced you to click on this article. You can easily see his name and bypass this by simply not clicking. The use of common sense should clearly be used.

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#34
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure what you mean.. I don't think I even ever read a "tell HN". I'd probably feel weird to step on the soapbox that way.. but feel free to elaborate (or do whatever you want with any of my posts, for that matter :)

A "Tell HN" is like the selfpost (if you're familiar with Reddit) of Hacker News. Instead of posting a link you post some text. He was suggesting that your comment is good enough to be posted as a standalone entry on here, if you want to do that go to the top and click "Submit", the rest is pretty much self-explanatory. I agree with you by the way.

This is my first account of like 10 that lasted a few months before getting hellbanned, so I would feel more than a bit presumptous doing that. I'm glad a way to behave a little, so I can occasionally rant and get heard, or simply add things I know to a discussion, or upvote comments etc., but personally I am so far left leaning, and not even a professional, but "just" someone who has been into computers since he's a kid, programs a little and loves the web, that I'd seriously feel weird making an "announcement" like this, and tell others what their duties are. Am I a coward, or does that make sense?

Not that I want to diminish my post, I stand behind every word, but I also put "we" in quotes because of the above, because I really mean you guys, the people who really know their shit, the people who don't feel helpless when confronted with math, the people who build the tools I use and write the code I learn the pitiful little things I know from, the people who stand a snowball's chance in hell to ever get hired by any of the agencies or corporations that do these things, because I really don't, you can take my word for it. When it comes to democracy or philosophy, all are equal, and in that sense I'm do not want to shrink from anything; but when it comes to HN per se, I do not consider myself a peer (this time that's a compliment) and do not want to pretend I am one, I get carried away enough as is sometimes ^^

It is very flattering though, thanks.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#35
I have a hard time believing the US authorities want anyone to detain Snowden besides US authorities. He is, presumably, sitting on a big pile of classified but as-yet-unreleased information. Pure speculation (what fun!): perhaps Hong Kong law enforcement and the US know precisely where he is, but they are biding their time until they can get their ducks in a row for a US team to bring him back. All these public statements are just for show.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#36

Hope he hops on the plane to Iceland.

Someone, you know who, will call in a bomb and force the plane to land in UK, or Germany or another US satellite state. Or maybe USAF F-16s will greet the plane along the way

There's routes to Iceland that can bypass the US altogether, and its allies in a more roundabout way...

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#37
post #5

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-sn... And they're urging Hong Kong to do it quickly. I wonder what the result of that will be.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

"raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law"

Hope the irony isn't lost on them.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#38
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

I think the US is overplaying their influence on HK. People in HK regularly protest (on the street, even) against Beijing's apparent interference in local politics or social matters such as education and elections. At the end of the day HK is part of China and this how they act towards Beijing. I don't think the US can waltz in to HK and apply their special brand of moral pressure for HK to 'do the right thing'...

I don't think HK cares that much about US relations. They can defer to China to help get their way if they need it for trade related matters. I don't think they will want to be seen as caving to US pressure here.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#39
"A senior administration official also not authorized to speak publicly told USA TODAY that the United States is asking Hong Kong to act quickly on the request or risk complicating relations between the two for failing to hand Snowden over as required by international law. "

So it's OK for senior administration officials to leak information without authorization, about trying to prosecute someone for leaking information without authorization...

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

#40
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"A senior administration official also not authorized to speak publicly told USA TODAY that the United States is asking Hong Kong to act quickly on the request or risk complicating relations between the two for failing to hand Snowden over as required by international law. " So it's OK for senior administration officials to leak information without authorization, about trying to prosecute someone for leaking informat…

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