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My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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There are nine exemptions to the FOIA (that we know of) http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/foia/

I'm not sure any of them apply anymore. The government's best argument is probably, "Just because their existence was disclosed doesn't mean it's not still classified!" But, I've seen that argument before in court cases, and IIRC, a court ruled that if the disclosure is reliable enough such that everyone knows it's true and therefore it's obviously not a secret, the docs must be released.

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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post #21

The secrecy of the information FOIA is supposed to help alleviate (it doesn't really because it's a catch-22) bothers me a lot. If the government is amassing information on individuals to prove guilt of some crime, by withholding that information from counsel, it's very possible that evidence that proves the individual is completely innocent may be destroyed inadvertently since the individual has no idea what they mi…

There are tons of problems with the NSA having this data, and I think they are just beginning to learn that. There's a news headline out there now that a bank robbery suspect has now requested his NSA records to prove he wasn't there. The shit is about to hit the fan (or "additional shit" I should say!)

Of course, you could always keep a copy of every phone bill you receive if you want permanent proof of what you were up to.

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

#36
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"tsaou...tour pants...???... tsao u to ur pants??? ... ts a out our pan ts... TSA out our pants! Got it!" PS. In submitting this - your Web page (!!) - I was hoping to get some feedback from wise old HNers as to whether it was legit or not. Though the page out of context seems faintly scam-like ("We will mail your request for FREE!" "We've got a lot of printing and mailing to do, and can only do it with your support!…

Thanks for sharing it! If you have any ideas for how to make it seem less sketchy while still conveying that we're going to send a free request for you, let me know!

Needless to say, it's a little unfair of me to so casually and easily remark "the page out of context seems faintly scam-like" without pinpointing exactly why, and offering "ideas for how to make it seem less sketchy". This kind of thing is also very subjective, anyway! However, in my opinion, it might be an improvement to drop the caps on "FREE" and perhaps the exclamation marks on the two quoted sentences too. The comment around here by "stfu" about the buttons is also interesting, and hadn't even occurred to me, but seems like a good observation.

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no initial fee required to submit a FOIA request, but the FOIA does provide for the charging of certain types of fees in some instances. > For a typical requester the agency can charge for the time it takes to search for records and for duplication of those records. There is usually no charge for the first two hours of search time or for the first 100 pages of duplication. http://www.foia.gov/faq.html#cost

"You may request a waiver of fees. Under the FOIA fee waivers are limited to situations in which a requester can show that the disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations and activities of the government and is not primarily in the commercial interest of the requester." Sounds like that applies to most eve…

Added in a fee waiver request to the form!

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

#38
Regarding the motion to quash, it seems as though it would be rejected outright by the court clerk since you're not filing it in person and I'm guessing there is a motion fee to file with the court.

I am a lawyer and would be interested in helping you make this more effective, if you are interested.

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no initial fee required to submit a FOIA request, but the FOIA does provide for the charging of certain types of fees in some instances. > For a typical requester the agency can charge for the time it takes to search for records and for duplication of those records. There is usually no charge for the first two hours of search time or for the first 100 pages of duplication. http://www.foia.gov/faq.html#cost

"You may request a waiver of fees. Under the FOIA fee waivers are limited to situations in which a requester can show that the disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations and activities of the government and is not primarily in the commercial interest of the requester." Sounds like that applies to most eve…

Also, regarding fees, I really don't expect that the NSA is going to respond to your FOIA request without a fight, so I personally think it's a non-issue. The idea here is the protest, not an expectation that you'll actually get your records!

Re: My NSA Records - Submit a FOIA Request or Motion to Quash

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post #21

The secrecy of the information FOIA is supposed to help alleviate (it doesn't really because it's a catch-22) bothers me a lot. If the government is amassing information on individuals to prove guilt of some crime, by withholding that information from counsel, it's very possible that evidence that proves the individual is completely innocent may be destroyed inadvertently since the individual has no idea what they mi…

There are tons of problems with the NSA having this data, and I think they are just beginning to learn that. There's a news headline out there now that a bank robbery suspect has now requested his NSA records to prove he wasn't there. The shit is about to hit the fan (or "additional shit" I should say!) Of course, you could always keep a copy of every phone bill you receive if you want permanent proof of what you wer…

You'd have to prove that it was you talking on the phone. You'd need a recording of the conversation for the judge to be sure.
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